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From: Carl Cook 
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At 01:52 PM 4/8/2003 -0600, you wrote:

> > Once you have what you want, in digital...it's saved and can be repeated
> > with much ease.  Multiples in the darkroom are work.

Don't think I said that, maybe I did, but it doesn't look like my style -- 
written too nicely -- ! :)(

Darkroom, no two prints ever come out the same, and for me, that's a plus, 
as long as the prints fit into the parameters I have created as acceptable 
for the given image. Same with digital. When I work a print, I often change 
things from print to print as I see them. I have long been an advocate of 
making things different each time they are done. Jerry Garcia was steadfast 
in his belief that no song should ever be played the same way twice, which 
resulted in often spotty performances from the Grateful Dead (no drug 
jokes). At times the improv's didn't work, and the show suffered for it. At 
other times performances would be brilliant. When Deadheads talk about GD 
songs, they always discuss certain performances of those songs, not just 
the tunes themselves. Tapes of, say certain performances of Dark Star, are 
sought after collector's items on the tape trading curcuit.

Sidebar, but on topic non the less, something I always admired of the Dead 
is that they not only allowed people to tape their shows -- as long as they 
didn't sell them -- but they also allowed unrestricted photography of their 
concerts as well. Photographers could go in with 400-600mm lenses if they 
wanted to. There was often an area set up for photographers, as there was 
for tapers. As Jerry once said in an interview for MTV, "Once we've played 
it, it's out there -- people can do anything they want with it." Well, not 
anything, but we got the point.

For me, each print has its own life, its own personality. When I send one 
off in the mail, I wish it luck in its new home. " I hope you like 
Australia," or, Britain, or Finland, or wherever. A recent goodbye
was, " I 
hope Texas isn't too hot for you, and say Hi to Barbara!"

Carl



>As a sidelight, I never keep a file from which I have printed. If I have
>saved it while processing, I delete it from the hard drive once printed.
>Generally, I don't save at all since both my working machines are incredibly
>stable.
>
>I always go back to the source image, unchanged from the way it came from
>the camera. I realize that my processing chops are forever improving, and
>want to do the best I can do at any given time.
>
>Ansel Adams is quoted as saying (in musical terms) "The exposure is the
>score, the print is the performance".
>
>I really relate to that. Ansel was torn between a career as a pianist and
>photographer. I never play a piece the same way twice. My playing depends on
>my total state of being at the moment I pick up my instrument. Same with
>printing. Each print is an individual performance. The interpretation of the
>image depends - like the music - where I am at that time. My relationship to
>the image changes over time - perhaps minute to minute. Thus reprinting a
>file I processed a year or two back would be disingenuous.
>
>Of course, your mileage may vary.
>
>larry!
>ICQ 76620504
>http://www.larry-bolch.com/
>
>
>
>
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At 01:52 PM 4/8/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> Once you have what you want,
in digital...it's saved and can be repeated
> with much ease.  Multiples in the darkroom are
work.
Don't think I said that, maybe I did, but it doesn't look like my style
-- written too nicely -- ! :)(
Darkroom, no two prints ever come out the same, and for me, that's a
plus, as long as the prints fit into the parameters I have created as
acceptable for the given image. Same with digital. When I work a print, I
often change things from print to print as I see them. I have long been
an advocate of making things different each time they are done. Jerry
Garcia was steadfast in his belief that no song should ever be played the
same way twice, which resulted in often spotty performances from the
Grateful Dead (no drug jokes). At times the improv's didn't work, and the
show suffered for it. At other times performances would be brilliant.
When Deadheads talk about GD songs, they always discuss certain
performances of those songs, not just the tunes themselves. Tapes of, say
certain performances of Dark Star, are sought after collector's items on
the tape trading curcuit.
Sidebar, but on topic non the less, something I always admired of the
Dead is that they not only allowed people to tape their shows -- as long
as they didn't sell them -- but they also allowed unrestricted
photography of their concerts as well. Photographers could go in with
400-600mm lenses if they wanted to. There was often an area set up for
photographers, as there was for tapers. As Jerry once said in an
interview for MTV, "Once we've played it, it's out there -- people
can do anything they want with it." Well, not
anything, but
we got the point.
For me, each print has its own life, its own personality. When I send one
off in the mail, I wish it luck in its new home. " I hope you like
Australia," or, Britain, or Finland, or wherever. A recent goodbye
was, " I hope Texas isn't too hot for you, and say Hi to
Barbara!" 
Carl 

As a sidelight, I never keep a file
from which I have printed. If I have
saved it while processing, I delete it from the hard drive once
printed.
Generally, I don't save at all since both my working machines are
incredibly
stable.
I always go back to the source image, unchanged from the way it came
from
the camera. I realize that my processing chops are forever improving,
and
want to do the best I can do at any given time.
Ansel Adams is quoted as saying (in musical terms) "The exposure is
the
score, the print is the performance".
I really relate to that. Ansel was torn between a career as a pianist
and
photographer. I never play a piece the same way twice. My playing depends
on
my total state of being at the moment I pick up my instrument. Same
with
printing. Each print is an individual performance. The interpretation of
the
image depends - like the music - where I am at that time. My relationship
to
the image changes over time - perhaps minute to minute. Thus reprinting
a
file I processed a year or two back would be disingenuous.
Of course, your mileage may vary.
larry!
ICQ 76620504
http://www.larry-bolch.com/"
eudora="autourl">http://www.larry-bolch.com/;


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