From   Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:09:36 -0800 remote from
fanciful.org
Received: by fanciful.org (Wildcat! SMTP Router v5.6.450.61)
          for photo{at}fanciful.org; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:09:36 -0800
Received: from saf.tzo.com ([140.239.225.181]) HELO=saf.tzo.com
          by fanciful.org (Wildcat! SMTP v5.6.450.61) with SMTP
          id 117542109; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:09:33 -0800
Received: from 216.174.194.61 by saf.tzo.com
 id 2003040211121557853 for photo{at}fanciful.org;
 Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:12:15 GMT
Received: (qmail 15768 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 16:09:05 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO Carl?Cook.olywa.net) (64.42.61.54)
  by e4500a.atgi.net with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 16:09:05 -0000
Message-Id: 
X-Sender: clcook{at}mail.olywa.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:09:53 -0800
To: 
From: Carl Cook 
Subject: Re: Digital/Analog
In-Reply-To: <1ADA16A4FECB094695DE73172A730E8E180633{at}tpshouex1.toromontp
 rocess.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=====================_8789694==_.ALT"

--=====================_8789694==_.ALT
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed



Thanks, Barbara -- nice list!


Here are a couple additional disadvantages the digital that I didn't 
realize were disadvantages till just now:

Risk of carpal tunnel syndrome from extended Photoshop sessions.

Risk of tendonitis from lifting heavy digital camera.


Despite my "ergonomically" placed keyboard and mouse, I now have carpal 
tunnel to the extent of having to at times,  wear a brace. The first time 
my wrist exhibited symptoms of this condition was way back when the first 
Nintendo came out and many hours was spent getting to and surpassing Level 
8 of Super Mario Bros! Carpal tunnel went away after the Nintendo console 
broke down. Over the last 7-8 years as my use of Photoshop has increased, 
and especially in the last year since going digital, Episodes of carpal 
tunnel have increased along with the levels of pain.

Tendonitis. After a year of lifting (hefting) a Nikon D1x with a 28-70 f. 
2/8 on it, I now have a nasty case of Tennis Elbow! I have all these jars 
of "blue" ointment, Icy-Hot and all that stuff laying  around here, not to 
mention a wrap-around brace recommended by my doctor. All from lifting the 
camera. I think Nikon priced this camera by the pound. A couple of weeks 
ago, I was shooting a job for the State, and it became so painful to lift 
the camera from a table it was resting on, that I had to use two hands. A 
photographer here in town told me he had gotten tendonitis from his Nikon 
digital as well. It was so bad, he had to have a cortisone shot in his 
elbow to relieve the pain.

A related disadvantage to the wet darkroom would be exposure to potentially 
noxious chemicals, and chemicals considered benign, but that certain people 
might be sensitive to.

  For example, after years of exposure, I became very sensitive to Kodak's 
Dektol, actually, the chemical, metol, that is in Dektol. If I took one 
breath  near an open tray of the stuff, I immediately felt nauseous and 
"heavy headed." The effect lasting for hours, and over time, got
worse. For 
years, I had to wear a respirator in the darkroom ( I was bullheaded about 
the quality of prints Dektol was giving me). After finally switching to a 
metol-free developer (Ilford Multigrade), the symptoms went away.

In addition, I developed a sensitively to fixer, but the symptoms I exhibit 
are not as severe as with Dektol. With fixer, I keep the tray covered when 
not in use, and avoid standing over the tray when I am working.

Carl

On a personal note, your print went out in yesterday's mail, Hope you like 
it -



At 08:24 AM 4/2/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>My .02 cents:
>
>
>
>Digital Pluses:
>
>Snap as much as I want 'til I fill up cards - and then I can delete the 
>ones that are wrong and shoot some more.
>
>Instant feedback - exposure, expression, composition, etc.
>
>Quick setup - turn on computer
>
>Ability to play with picture to get print the way I want.
>
>Then after playing with picture, can send to Walmart's Fuji Frontier on CD 
>or print with inkjet.
>
>Fuji Frontier much quicker in getting a dry print exactly how I want it. 
>And costs less than $3 for 8x10 and besides the drive, only takes a few 
>minutes.
>
>Can print many that are identical (can be a bad thing too, I suppose)
>
>White balance control with every picture without the need to carry filters.
>
>"Film" speed adjustment with every picture.
>
>Carry less equipment when shooting with digital.
>
>
>
>Digital Minuses:
>
>Smaller camera feel like toy - it's a mental thing. E-20 feels good 
>though, but not as good at macro as my old Nikon 990, so I bought a Nikon 
>4300 this past weekend to carry in my purse. Felt like I was playing a 
>video game when messing about the menus and such.
>
>Tend to shoot more images (a plus and a minus) - storing images and 
>learning to delete some.
>
>
>
>
>
>Analog Pluses:
>
>*** Black and white looks better when done in darkroom.
>
>Will only print the really good pictures....(could be a minus too 'cause I 
>find that with nearly 10 rolls of black and white negatives, I might only 
>have one or two that are somewhat worthy of setting up my darkroom)
>
>
>
>
>
>Analog Minuses:
>
>Pain in the butt setting up temporary darkroom. Always having to buy fresh 
>chemicals and tossing out old chemicals.
>
>Don't print often enough to save money.
>
>Can only print in evenings when I'm already tired.
>
>I have less experience so it takes me longer to make one print...I get 
>impatient.
>
>Doubt my abilities to judge prints and can't predict dry down.
>
>When processing my own film, I've messed up a couple of times and lost 
>some frames ... but when boyfriend reformatted hard drive, lost digital 
>images that weren't save to a CD....(so I guess they cancel each other out)
>
>Don't like that I have to scrub the bathroom before and after I use it as 
>darkroom. Can stain bathtub.
>
>Inconvient to eat while making prints in chemical darkroom...or get a 
>telephone call from mom.....etc.
>
>Have to use loop and light box to view negatives and can get difficult 
>seeing details until you print it.
>
>
>
>I have to get back to work, but I thought I'd throw in some ideas.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Barbara
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>To unsubscribe, send e-mail to wclistserve{at}fanciful.org with
>UNSUBSCRIBE photo in the message body on a line by itself.
>To contact the list admin, e-mail Tom.Lebens{at}fanciful.org
>---------------------------------------------------------------------

e-mail: clcook{at}olywa.net
http://www.clcookphoto.com
--=====================_8789694==_.ALT
Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"



Thanks, Barbara -- nice list!

Here are a couple additional disadvantages the digital that I didn't
realize were disadvantages till just now:
Risk of carpal tunnel syndrome from extended Photoshop sessions.

Risk of tendonitis from lifting heavy digital camera.

Despite my "ergonomically" placed keyboard and mouse, I now
have carpal tunnel to the extent of having to at times,  wear a
brace. The first time my wrist exhibited symptoms of this condition was
way back when the first Nintendo came out and many hours was spent
getting to and surpassing Level 8 of Super Mario Bros! Carpal tunnel went
away after the Nintendo console broke down. Over the last 7-8 years as my
use of Photoshop has increased, and especially in the last year since
going digital, Episodes of carpal tunnel have increased along with the
levels of pain. 
Tendonitis. After a year of lifting (hefting) a Nikon D1x with a 28-70 f.
2/8 on it, I now have a nasty case of Tennis Elbow! I have all these jars
of "blue" ointment, Icy-Hot and all that stuff laying 
around here, not to mention a wrap-around brace recommended by my doctor.
All from lifting the camera. I think Nikon priced this camera by the
pound. A couple of weeks ago, I was shooting a job for the State, and it
became so painful to lift the camera from a table it was resting on, that
I had to use two hands. A photographer here in town told me he had gotten
tendonitis from his Nikon digital as well. It was so bad, he had to have
a cortisone shot in his elbow to relieve the pain.  

A related disadvantage to the wet darkroom would be exposure to
potentially noxious chemicals, and chemicals considered benign, but that
certain people might be sensitive to.
 For example, after years of exposure, I became very sensitive to
Kodak's Dektol, actually, the chemical, metol, that is in Dektol. If I
took one breath  near an open tray of the stuff, I immediately felt
nauseous and "heavy headed." The effect lasting for hours, and
over time, got worse. For years, I had to wear a respirator in the
darkroom ( I was bullheaded about the quality of prints Dektol was giving
me). After finally switching to a metol-free developer (Ilford
Multigrade), the symptoms went away. 
In addition, I developed a sensitively to fixer, but the symptoms I
exhibit are not as severe as with Dektol. With fixer, I keep the tray
covered when not in use, and avoid standing over the tray when I am
working. 
Carl
On a personal note, your print went out in yesterday's mail, Hope you
like it - 

At 08:24 AM 4/2/2003 -0700, you wrote:
My .02
cents:

 

Digital Pluses:

Snap as much as I want 'til I
fill up cards -
and then I can delete the ones that are wrong and shoot some more.

Instant feedback - exposure, expression,
composition, etc.

Quick setup - turn on computer

Ability to play with picture to
get print the
way I want.

Then after playing with picture,
can send to
Walmart's Fuji Frontier on CD or print with inkjet.

Fuji Frontier much quicker in getting a dry
print exactly how I want it. And costs less than $3 for 8x10 and besides
the drive, only takes a few minutes.

Can print many that are identical
(can be a bad
thing too, I suppose)

White balance control with every picture
without the need to carry filters.

"Film" speed
adjustment with every
picture.

Carry less equipment when shooting with
digital.

 

Digital Minuses:

Smaller camera feel like toy -
it's a mental
thing. E-20 feels good though, but not as good at macro as my old Nikon
990, so I bought a Nikon 4300 this past weekend to carry in my purse.
Felt like I was playing a video game when messing about the menus and
such.

Tend to shoot more images (a plus
and a minus)
- storing images and learning to delete some.

 

 

Analog Pluses:

*** Black and white
looks better when
done in darkroom.

Will only print the really good
pictures....(could be a minus too 'cause I find that with nearly 10 rolls
of black and white negatives, I might only have one or two that are
somewhat worthy of setting up my darkroom)

 

 

Analog Minuses:

Pain in the butt
setting up temporary
darkroom. Always having to buy fresh chemicals and tossing out old
chemicals.

Don't print often enough to save
money.

Can only print in
evenings when I'm
already tired.

I have less experience
so it takes me
longer to make one print...I get impatient.

Doubt my abilities to
judge prints
and can't predict dry down.

When processing my own film, I've
messed up a couple of times and lost some frames ... but when boyfriend
reformatted hard drive, lost digital images that weren't save to a
CD....(so I guess they cancel each other out)

Don't like that I have
to scrub the
bathroom before and after I use it as darkroom. Can stain bathtub.

Inconvient to eat while
making prints
in chemical darkroom...or get a telephone call from mom.....etc.

Have to use loop and light box to
view negatives and can get difficult seeing details until you print
it.

 

I have to get back to work, but I
thought I'd throw in some ideas.

 

Thanks,

Barbara

 


---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, send e-mail to wclistserve{at}fanciful.org with
UNSUBSCRIBE photo in the message body on a line by itself.
To contact the list admin, e-mail Tom.Lebens{at}fanciful.org
---------------------------------------------------------------------


e-mail: clcook{at}olywa.net
http://www.clcookphoto.com/"
eudora="autourl">http://www.clcookphoto.com;

--=====================_8789694==_.ALT--

--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5