> But ya know I think the two phenomena (seeing/hearing
 > things as though
 > they were external and imagination) are very much
 > related.


 > :) There. That settles that ...

 BM> Nope.  Doesn't. :)  I think we will have to agree to disagree on this
 BM> one, at least for the moment, because, as I said elsewhere, many times
 BM> I have to stop up my ears in order to determine whether I am actually


 I understand that. What I was driving at was the distinction between
 what is called a hallicination (percieving a memory image as being
external) <-- that's putting it better I htink! :) .... and a meory
image we percieve only in our mind and NOT externally at all.

Head noises can have internal causes other than by memory images
(there's a term for memory images but I can't recall how to spell it
right now). Blood rushing by the bone that carries the otic nerves
pics up the sound via vibration. You notice this internal sound most
likely say when your heart is pounding.

I agree the internal sound can be loud. But they're not all
'imagined'.. some are actually caused by physical structures inside
our bodies....


 BM> hearing an external noise. I can, of course, "hear in my
mind's ear"
 BM> any noise or music I wish, at will, which, I believe we agree, is
 BM> imagination.  I do also have head noises that I know without testing
 BM> are involuntary head noises and not external noises.

 Exactly but that isn't a'hallucination' because you don't percieve it
as exteranl.

 Cinders

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