> 0n (28 Oct 05) Barbara McNay wrote to Cindy Haglund...

 >> 0n (28 Oct 05) Kevin Klement wrote to Cindy Haglund...

 >>  KK> Hi Cindy,

 >>  KK> Thursday October 27 2005, Cindy Haglund writes to Kevin Klement:

 >>>  Hi. I am going to find the URL for you on head noises. The
 >>> person who sent the URL to me confirms it is not 'junk
 >>> science'. Head noises are there, it's not real sound. You
 >>> can tell it's not a real sound.

 >>  KK> Oh no... your misunderstanding, I was being a smarty cat,
I wanted the
 >>  KK> same drugs this person is on. 

 >>  Head noises are not voices. They're jsut NOISE..

 >>  KK> I don't have voices in my head, never had. The only voice I hear is
 >>  KK> myself mumbling to myself when I'm pissed off at my
helpers, when they
 >>  KK> are acting like a idiot.

 >>   I don't either. But after being in a noisy place I
 >> come away with
 >> 'mumble' head noises. They're not voices (aural
 >> hallucinations). See

 >  BM> I would say that head noises are aural hallucinations, which normally


 >  I investigated this and NO. They are not
 > hallucinations.

 > A hallicination occurs when someone says they see/hear
 > an object/sound
 > that isn't there: externally. That is they SEE/HEAR an
 > object/sound
 > OUTSIDE their head.

 > A 'head noise' is acknowledged to be internal and 'not
 > real' and is
 > often in the case of sound: internal vibration or
 > memory emimation.
 > The same as 'day dreams' are not hallucinations. We
 > know they're just
 > dreams, they're not perceived to be OUTSIDE our head.

 > IE: If I said I saw (that is looking at something
 > outside my head) a
 > three headed turkey: that would be a hallucination.

 > If I said, I imagined such a thing inside my head,
 > that is just a
 > 'dream' thing.

 > But ya know I think the two phenomena (seeing/hearing
 > things as though
 > they were external and imagination) are very much
 > related.


 > :) There. That settles that ...

Nope.  Doesn't. :)  I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one,
at least for the moment, because, as I said elsewhere, many times I have to
stop up my ears in order to determine whether I am actually hearing an
external noise.  I can, of course, "hear in my mind's ear" any
noise or music I wish, at will, which, I believe we agree, is imagination. 
I do also have head noises that I know without testing are involuntary head
noises and not external noises.

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