In article , Tracy Hall says...

>On Feb 8, 2005, at 2:07 pm Isend...{at}hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>> And He had one temptation that no other mortal ever had -- the
>>> temptation to invoke His divine half to escape the vicissitudes of
>>> mortality.
>
>> This would presume two consciences.
>
>I'm sorry I wasn't clear.  I did not mean two states of consciousness,

You might not have _meant_ "two states of consciousness", but how
can you avoid
it, given what you DID write?

So if you really didn't mean it, please spend less time writing, more time
thinking and more time editing before you click 'send'.

>but rather two physical potentials embodied in his very genes.

What? Why would anyone want to believe THIS? How would He be "of one
with us" th
en? Don't you see that having TWO "physical potentials in his
genes" would make
him radically different from us? Paul would then NEVER have written:

   For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified HAVE ALL
   ONE ORIGIN. That is why he is not ashamed to call
   them BRETHREN,  (Heb 2:11 RSVA)

But you make him not one of the brethren, but some sort of half-human hybrid.

>>This would devalue the scriptural declaration that He was tempted
>> as we.  Rather, the kenosis was so extensive that the Divine
>> consciousness was never taken back up until the Father again
>> glorified Him.  The Logos operated under human
>> consciousness only.
>
>Yes, had he retained the memory of his pre-mortal glory, he could not
>have shown us how to develop faith.

No, that does not follow. That IS what the temptation in the Garden is about.

>>> He told His apostles that if they had faith like a mustard
seed, >>
>they could do greater miracles than He.
>
>> What is greater than raising the dead.
>
>Elijah raised widow's son from the dead. (1 Kgs. 17:-24)  Peter raised
>Tabitha/Dorcas from the dead.  (Acts 9:46-32).  Paul raised Eutychus
>from the dead.  (Acts 20:9-12).  But I do agree that the raising of
>Lazarus from the dead was greater than any of these examples, because
>Lazarus was dead longer than any of these, and he was already entombed.
>
>> It was not meant "greater" as in deed, but greater in that
>> they were greater in number and would  reach out to the
>> greater populous of the nations.
>
>Perhaps so.  I know of no record that the apostles ever did works
>greater in deed than Jesus, but I believe that they were perfectly
>capable of doing so, had they developed sufficient faith.  Jesus had no
>special advantage over them, except for his greater faith, which he
>developed patiently over his entire life.

But you did NOT reach this conclusion from Scripture, nor was it God who
'revealed' it to you. I don't know where you got it from, but I wish you would
put it back where it came from.

> "And Jesus increased in
>wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man."  (Luke 2:51-52)

But you miss the point: what these words really mean is explained by Theophylact
commenting on these verses:

Begin quote---------------
Jesus submitted to his parents, giving even us an example, that we should submit
to our own parents. The Virgin preserved all this in her heart; for the words
and deeds of the Holy Child were divine and showed in Him not a 12-year old
child, but a completely mature man. For the explanation of what "increase in
wisdom" means, the evangelist adds "and stature", for
increase in age is called
achieving wisdom. "And in favor before God and men"; that is, He
did what is
pleasing to God, and what is found worthy of praise among men; but first he was
pleasing to God, and only then to men; for it is necessary to first please God,
and only afterwards to please men
End quote------------------
(from http://pagez.ru/lsn/0100.php#02)

Now before you dismiss his claim, consider why we call those teeth "wisdom
teeth". It is for the same reason: because they come in at the age when a man
customarily attains at least _some_ kind of 'wisdom'.

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quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)

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