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   I agree that non-technical people don't care what is under the hood.  =
I don't believe either mike or I even suggested this as relevant.  mike =
miller is wrong in his assertion that the mac is ahead of Windows for =
simpler reasons.  His only example is available for both.  There is no =
need to look further.  If you do look further you will find that there =
are a number of products in the same space that not only plug together =
but are interoperable so you can mix and match to suite your needs or =
desires.

   The apple product is not what I was describing as proprietary.  The =
apple protocol is to what I was referring.  You can find sites like =
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?RemoteAudioOutputProtocol that discuss =
reverse engineering it.

   The protocols Microsoft's products in this space use along with those =
of other vendors can be found at http://www.dlna.org/.  There are around =
250 members.  See http://www.dlna.org/about/roster.  The DLNA work = builds
upon the older UPnP standards at =
http://www.upnp.org/standardizeddcps/mediaserver.asp.  There are 69 =
certified media servers and 28 certified media renderers.  You can find =
some at http://www.upnp-ic.org/certification/default.asp#devices.

Rich

  "Don Hills"  wrote in message =
news:p6HrDtgaXy7S092yn{at}attglobal.net...
  In article , "Rich"  wrote:
  >     I'm particularly interested in you supporting your claim "Apple =
is
  >so far ahead of the Wintel world in this space that it isn't funny".  =
I
  >suspect you can't.  This is likely typical mike miller noise.

  I've been looking at the solutions available with the condition that =
they
  have to be usable by my young children and non-technical spouse. Once =
I
  stopped looking at it from a computing viewpoint and started looking =
at it
  from an appliance viewpoint, I realised Mike is right - who cares =
what's
  under the lid? It all plugs together and works intuitively, with no =
exposed
  rough edges.

  Before anyone mentions Linux, there's one problem: I'd have to build =
it, I
  can't buy it from my local tech store and plug it in.

  Calling the Apple solution proprietary and closed standards may have =
some
  validity, but it applies equally to Windows XP MCE. Again, like Mike, =
I feel
  Apple is ahead in that their interoperability is better with regards =
to
  streaming media to other playback devices while still retaining DRM.

  --=20
  Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand

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  in you supporting your claim "Apple is>so far ahead of the =
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can't. =20
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  solutions available with the condition that theyhave to be usable =
by my=20
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  Mike, I feelApple is ahead in that their interoperability is =
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  regards tostreaming media to other playback devices while still =
retaining=20
  DRM.-- Don
Hills    (dmhills at=20
  attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New=20
Zealand

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