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Matthew Johnson wrote: > > > so what do you care? Salvation was > >never the issue. > > Yes, it is the issue. > > > Fellowship was the issue. > > So _you_ love to claim. But that is only because you have already made up your > mind that OSAS is true, and will leave no stone unturned in your quest to > pervert the rest of Scripture to fit your preconceived notion. > The clause on the destruction of the flesh is grammatically subordinate to the main purpose clause, "that his spirit may be saved" (v. 5). Even though the Greek word pneuma, "spirit" in translation can be capitalized as "Spirit" or refer to man's "spirit," translators understand the term to refer not to the divine, but the human spirit. Now earlier you have suggested the interpretation that the Christian community had to expel the incestuous man, ie excommunicate him. I imagine that your basis for this is that it was an offense to the presence of the Holy Spirit. Certainly Scripture teaches not to grieve or stifle the Holy Spirit of God (cf. Eph 4:30; 1 Thess 5:19 but that is not the point of the passage. I can think of at least 3 reasons to reject such an interpretation: first, v. 5 contrasts man's flesh and spirit, not human flesh and the Holy Spirit. Next, Paul states that man's spirit may be saved, not that the presence of the Holy Spirit may be kept. And third, in the preceding verses (vv. 3, 4) the word pneuma occurs twice and refers to man's spirit, not to the Holy Spirit. So perhaps a better hypothesis is that it holds, in addition to the act of excommunication (shunning, an OT principle), God permiting Satan to attack and gradually weaken man's physical body (cf. Job 2:5; 2 Cor 12:7). Paul would not then be referring to a sudden demise (as e.g., in Acts 5:1-10), but to a slow process of physical decline. During this process the sinner receives ample time to reflect on his condition and repent (cf. 1 Cor 11:28-30). This no more involves the lost of salvation (being justified) than does Heb 6 or Heb 10. It involves purification of the elect even as Israel was purified by its Babylonian captivity, etc. Loss of salvation is the weakest argument of all possibilities. ((( s.r.c.b-s is a moderated group. All posts are approved by a moderator. ))) ((( Read http://srcbs.org for details about this group BEFORE you post. ))) --- UseNet To RIME Gateway {at} 2/3/05 2:17:44 PM ---* Origin: MoonDog BBS þ Brooklyn,NY 718 692-2498 (1:278/230) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 5030/786 @PATH: 278/230 10/345 106/1 2000 633/267 |
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