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date: 2005-02-08 10:39:00
subject: Re: Was Jesus born perfect?

Gemini Styles wrote:
> Some scholars believe that although Jesus was/is God and man
> simultaneously, He did not operate as God on earth.  I would like to
> know what everyone's take is regarding this matter?
>
>
Phil 2 and the "kenosis" passage.  This and John's gospel indicate that
Christ did not operate under the divine consciousness.  In Luke 2:52,
we read that He not only grew in stature, but in understanding the
universe from a human perspective, not from the Creator's perspective.
In Jn 8, the Greek reveals that the sudden thrusting of religious
leaders, the woman caught in adultery, caught Jesus by surprise, that
is, the divine omniscient consciousness was not operational.

There is another thought to be added to all this.  How can it be said
that He was tempted in all manner as man if He did not operate
consciously as we do we?  To be a true mediator, must share in the
human experience, which certainly includes having to live consciously
moment by moment.  Man, being the creature, must live dependently, not
as God Himself operates, self-sufficiently.

So basically, I personally read the gospel accounts of Christ as
operating consciously as a man.  Luke 4:1 provides the answer for His
seemingly superhuman attributes.  He was "full of the Holy Spirit".
Elsewhere we read that He was given the Spirit without measure.  That
He was born without sin, that He had the full measure of the Spirit
operating through Him and leading Him (again Lk 4:1), we are granted
some insight as to how and why He was able to turn water into wine,
command the storm to cease, to know the hearts of men, to forgive sin
-and yet retain a truly dependent consciousness even as other men are
themselves called to "be filled with the Spirit."

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