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from: Lsenders{at}hotmail.Com
date: 2005-02-24 13:37:00
subject: Re: Free Will

Matthew Johnson wrote:
> In article ,
lsenders{at}hotmail.com

> >>
> >John 6:44 "No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me
draws
> >him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
> >
> >"No ONE. . . . UNLESS"  Where is the will of man here?
>
> Right in front of your nose. Where else? We already discussed this, I
already
> explained to you why this says NOTHING to contradict the free will of
man.
>
If I write "white" you write "black" for no other reason that to
object.

Jn 6:44 is determinative.  Only the Father draws.  And unless He acts
in such accord, no man can autonomously "come to Me" i.e. Christ.  This
is exactly Paul's point in Rom 3:10ff with the determinative use of
negation, absolute negation. "No, not one."  Man does not seek for God
because he is unable to which means he cannot make a free-will
inclination to self-determine this move.  Man can no more raise himself
up to incline himself to God any more than a lower energy force can of
its own raise itself up to a higher energy level.  The constructs of
the universe prohibit it.

Man does not have free-will as you define it because man cannot raise
himself up from the dead.  And all men are dead in Adam.
>
> >You deny the Scriptural account of
> >the fall via your allegorism.
>
> I do no such thing. Rather, it is you who insist on _adding_ to the
Scriptural
> account, and then calling it 'Scripture'.
>
At least you remain consistent.  That is why your system of theology
stands opposed to revelation given by God Himself.

And once again, you merely accuse and walk away, never defending the
validity of your accusation or providing any sort of presuppositional
support for your own position.  As always, you only state what you
deny, never what you believe.  How convient and how deficient.

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