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echo: askacop
to: RICH WILLBANKS
from: RYAN BAGUEROS
date: 1998-04-19 11:22:00
subject: Re: choices in America

        ù Quoting Rich Willbanks from a message to Ryan Bagueros  ù 
RW> You want to chance something you have two choices (there's that word 
RW> again).  You can do it within the system and law or you can do it 
RW> outside both.
Yes, and as anyone who attempts change through the system finds out, its 
impossible. Every progressive change in history has been the result of 
grassroots organizing and conflict, from the emancipation of the blacks, to 
the
end of the Vietnam War, to the Civil Rights Movement. 
Those non-radical reformers are the liberals that are responsible for 
political
correctness and suing everyone so the state seal doesn't mention "god" ... in 
other words, totally benign. 
RW> senseless than they already are.  Is that radical?  Don't I have as 
RW> much right as you to break the law to advance my cause?
Well, of course the difference is that you would not find anyone to go along 
with your cause, and you would probably be arrested for the nut you are. On 
the
other hand, class issues is as fundamental as capitalism, a human current 
that 
has spurred revolutions worldwide, social upheaval, and has a long and 
dedicated tradition. 
RW> A lot more then you I bet!  How much money have you given to any 
RW> charitable organization?  How much time do you spend a week helping 
RW> the downtrodden people you see?  When was the last time you went to a 
RW> town meeting?  When was the last time you worked for
Hahaha! To quote someone you don't know, "I know there must be more than 
giving
just a little bit more." So does it make you feel better to contribute to a 
charity? That middle-class guilt can be absolved if you just give to our 
charity! I really don't want to get into a "who's-more-involved" discussion, 
but let's go: I am on-and-off active in Copwatch, a collective that seeks out 
and attacks police brutality (on the streets, in the courts, everywhere), a 
book publishing collective that reproduces suppressed literature as cheaply 
as 
possible, a Books-to-Prisoners program, that gives free magazines and 
literature to political prisoners and politically-conscious prisoners intent 
on
creating prison reform, Anti-Racist Action, a group designed to create 
awareness about racism and classism and fighting Neo-Nazi groups, Food Not 
Bombs, a group that redistributes food to people who can't afford any for 
free,
every week, as well as creating one of the first online BBS systems that will 
be telnetable worldwide, serving as a repository of information on tenant 
laws,
suppressed information, etc. Now, the next time you're sitting in your little 
town meeting, you can think about all the people DOING and ORGANIZING, rather 
than just SITTING and LISTENING.
RW> You scream about classism but I bet during these "demos" you took the 
RW> time to yell at the working class guys wearing the police uniforms.
Most of the demos I can think of are AGAINST police brutality, so yes. The 
police are working class, but their history of systematic bias against the 
lower class, as well as their universal function as strikebreakers, as well 
as 
their corruption, make them an enemy of the lower classes.
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