From: John Beckett 

"Geo"  wrote in message
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> so newl is from a different include lib?

No - Just my mistake (merging "newline" into "endl").

It's incredibly frustrating trying to learn any of the serious applications
of C++. One major problem is that current development systems are built by
and for people who have grown with Windows from the early days. So, you
often find that the clever "high end" functions that are
convenient to use don't do some of the operations you would like. Then you
need to study 1000 details with pretty poor over-all documentation.

Playing with VC++ GUI development would be quite interesting, but if you're
wanting to learn the basics, I would recommend looking at the GUI later!

John

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