Joseph DeMartino wrote:
> "John W. Kennedy"  wrote:
>
>> Granted that Troy, say, has a New England vibe, where does this leave
>> Buffalo?

In the rust belt.  Sigh/argh.

> Hence my reference to the Hudson river as the western boundary of "New
> York")

That's backwards.  One side of the Hudson is the real New York with
dairy cattle and chicken wings and finger lakes.  That other side of the
Hudson can be called Apple or Empire or Gotham or Upstate whatever you
like.
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