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echo: babylon5
to: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
from: Doug Freyburger
date: 2010-09-09 19:47:00
subject: Re: JMS at NY Comic-Con Oct 8-10

Amy Guskin wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> It's my theory that folks who only like their own local version of pizza
>> actually don't like pizza.
>
> No, I (I can't speak for "folks," just myself) don't like
imprecision in my 
> food descriptions.

Words are defined by their usage.  You use local I use national.  Pizza
is what is called pizza across the widest geographic range. 
Semantics where here it tends to look like that joke cover of the New
Yorker magazine that's so famous.  Very appropriate for this thread.

I've seen ads for "stuffed pizza".  I recall that being called
stromboli. Should stuffed pizza take off in popularity and acheive
wide popularity in every day usage then that becomes part of what the
word means. At this point it has not become common usage in my
exeperience.

>> They like food they had as children which is not the same thing.
>
> Wow, that is *really* insulting.

In person I manage nice almost all of the time.  On line I never have
manged it with any consistency.  I point out that insulting does not
imply incorrect.  They are orthagonals.  Consider your example -

> If anything, if you're going to attribute maturity levels to 
> styles of pizza, I'd have to class deep dish style as the more childish, 
> since it has so much dough, and comfort foods are nearly always higher in 
> starch than more sophisticated fare.

That's a most excellent example of a correct statement that's insulting,
if childish is to be taken as an insult.  Very skillfully worded.  I
loved it.

I could do a write-up that uses the founding date of pizzerias in
various cities starting with the Margarita style centuries ago and it
too would show Chicago style founded later than the well known styles
farther east.  Calling the newest of the styles less mature that way
would fit the same pattern.

On to Swedish meatballs.  I take it the premade ones from Ikea just
don't cut it compared to home made.
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