DW> I doubt Joe would say "Id sucks" though... Id and Apogee are pretty
DW> friendly with each  other.
Huhuhuh...  What are you on?  Have you had a bad trip lately?  These
companies are mortal enemies!  They have NEVER gotten along!  Even when
they were together back in the late-eighties/early-nineties, they never
got along!  I can still remember all the lawsuits and arguments they
had during the Wolfenstein incident.  Apogee has always stolen things
from id.  The Wolfenstein incident, of course, was over the game engine,
but anyway, Apogee wouldn't have ever had Duke Nukem without id.  Does
anyone here still remember a little game by the name of Commander
Keen?  Apogee wanted that character, couldn't get it, so made a replica
with a different image.  Ever noticed how DN 1 & 2 were surprisingly 
like CK?  And what about another of Apogee's failures, Jazz Jackrabbit?
Entertaining game, just never got off the ground.  Anyway, very poor
form saying they are friends.  These people/companies are enemies
on not only a business level, but also a personal level.  Each have 
their own vendetta's...  Now, let's get something clear, I think 
Apogee sucks, but 3d Realms is cool.  Apogee has never been good with
mascots.  It took them LOTS of money to acquire 3d Realms.  And notice
3d Realms made Duke what he is today, not Apogee.  Alright, I'm finished.
... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!"
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