Hello Steve,

>LL>Quite an accomplishment, how them nineteen hijackers managed to
>LL>plow passenger airlines into skyscrapers while living to tell the
>LL>tale.

>SA>All they had to do was follow the scenarios laid out in "Operation
>SA>Northwoods", which set out plans for staging phony attacks on the
>SA>US to justify invading Cuba. It wasn't (apparently) implemented
>SA>for Cuba, but it would be a doddle to modify the scenarios to
>SA>justify attacking al-Qaeda, Taleban, Iraq etc etc.

>LL>There are many ways an administration can "fake" an
attack in order
>LL>to justify an invasion.  But I find it extremely doubtful that the
>LL>Bush administration, or that of any other American administration,
>LL>would have knowingly allowed terrorists to hijack passenger
>LL>airlines and plow them into skyscrapers and the Pentagon.

SA>I am 10,000 miles away, & from here, such an action by a U.S.
SA>administration just appears to be par for the course. They have
SA>form for staging terror attacks on civilian populations, and
SA>framing others for them. The US / CIA will set up proxy forces,
SA>sometimes funded from the proceeds of criminal activity, such
SA>as the Contras in Nicaragua, & use them to commit unspeakable
SA>acts upon the civilian population. They "use terror to traumatize
SA>society so that it cannot function".

America is making the world safe for democracy.

SA>E.g. John Stockwell, 13 year CIA veteran & former U.S. Marine
SA>Corps Major, is recorded as saying that [Contras] "go into villages
SA>... With the children forced to watch, they castrate the father ...
SA>peel the skin off his face ... put a grenade in his mouth, and pull
SA>the pin ... gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off ... and
SA>sometimes, for variety ... they do these things to the children."

America is making the world safe for democracy.

SA>A search on "Nicaragua terror attacks CIA" etc will turn up rafts
SA>of info on their heinous deeds.

See what I mean?  America is making the world safe for democracy.

>SA>The scenario for Cuba involved portraying the Cuban government as
>SA>"rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredicatble
>SA>threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere"
>SA>( http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-2.htm )

>LL>Unlike Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Fidel Castro did in fact have WMDs
>LL>on Cuban soil.  Fortunately, JFK convinced Kruschev to remove the
>LL>missiles from Cuba before an American invasion was incurred.

SA>Not quite true. The [unsuccessful] invasion of Cuba took place in
SA>April 1961 ["Bay of Pigs"]; "Operation
Northwoods" is dated March
SA>1962, nearly 12 months later; the Cuban Missile Crisis took place
SA>in October 1962.

If America really wanted to invade Cuba, it could.  And such an invasion
would not take long.  Probably two days.  Three days, tops.

SA>I.e., if the USA had not attempted to invade Cuba, & not imposed
SA>crippling sanctions upon it, including a ban on oil exports, it is
SA>possible that the missile crisis would not have occurred. The US
SA>invasion & sanctions had the effect of driving Cuba into the Soviet
SA>sphere.

Get off it.  Cuban military forces are no match for American military
might.  The American invasion of Iraq was akin to America going to war
against the Flintstones.  An American invasion of Cuba would amount to
America going to war against Forrest Gump.

>SA>The US Government was prepared to initiate terror attacks upon
>SA>the USA "in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in
>SA>Washington", in order to frame the Communist Cubans, and the
>SA>plans included the hijacking of civilian aircraft.

>SA>( http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-8.htm to north-10.htm )

Chuck Norris starred in a movie, "Invasion U.S.A.", based on the same
premise.  While such stories can play well in movie theaters, in reality
it is nothing but fantasy.

>LL>There are contingency plans for everything, including invading the
>LL>Vatican.  Not that a contingency plan means that it will in fact be
>LL>carried out.

SA>The invasion of Cuba was carried out, although unsuccessfully.

Had any real invasion of Cuba been ordered, such an invasion would
have been extremely successful.

>SA>If you are interested, read the whole sordid document, which is
>SA>12 pages, plus introductions.

>LL>Contingency plans are one thing.  Actions taken are quite another.

SA>See above. The US's hostile actions against sovereign nations speak
SA>louder than its "contingency plans".

America has never lost a war.  Not even the Vietnam War.

>LL>Why would the American government allow terrorists to hijack
>LL>passenger airliners and plow them into skyscrapers?  According to
>LL>Minister Farrakhan, it was because the American government wanted
>LL>an oil pipeline to be built through Afghanistan, and the Taliban
>LL>refusal to allow for such a project to be done.

>SA>I don't think that is quite correct.

>LL>It is Farrakhan's version of events. Not mine.

SA>Not in dispute.

Farrakhan is a Muslim who espouses anti-Christian and anti-Jewish views.

>SA>It is more likely that UNOCAL, a
>SA>member of the consortium building the pipeline, supsended work due to
>SA>concerns about working with the Taliban & then withdrew from the
>SA>consortium completely, thus stopping the project.
>SA>( http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/caspoile.html & elsewhere )

>LL>That does sound more logical than Farrakhan's version.

SA>It is consistent with Unocal's news releases (1) announcing the formation
SA>of the consortium to build the Central Asia gas pipeline from Turkmenistan
SA>to Pakistan via Afghanistan, & (2) the Unocal withdrawal from the project
SA>in 1998, citing concerns that the project could not proceed "until there
SA>was an internationally recognised government in place in Afghanistan
SA>that fairly represented all its people", among other reasons.

SA>As Unocal was 46.5% of the consortium, its withdrawal basically pulled
SA>the plug on the pipeline.

Money talks.  People listen.

>LL>The terrorist acts of 9-11 provided the perfect cover for the
>LL>American government to invade Afghanistan, thus getting the
>LL>pipeline built.

>SA>Snap!

>LL>Who would argue against invading Afghanistan in order to go after
>LL>those terrorists who struck America?  Virtually every American
>LL>wanted Osama bin Laden's head on a pike.  And most still do.
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