From: "Rich" 

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   If CPU was the only factor than my cell phone is more powerful that =
some IBM mainframes.  I don't think you want to claim that because of = the
CPU that a phone is a replacement for a mainframe.  There is a lot = more
to a PC or most computers than just the CPU.

Rich

  "Ad"  wrote in message =
news:464d52db{at}w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:
  >    I don't decry the phone.  I very much like my smartphone.  It's =
not a=20
  > PC replacement and not even close.  That's not to say a future one=20
  > couldn't be closer.  What is reported below is not the phone =
replacing=20
  > the PC as much as being a portable media player.  The actual article =

  > describes other specialty applications not the general purpose=20
  > functionality of a PC.
  >


  Riiigght so you do nuclear simulations?

  Most smartphones are or are approaching where my old PC/my son's win2K =

  pc is (PIII 500 + 256 mb of ram) at least in processor terms.

  & soon they'll be quite a lot faster e.g.

  http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM_Cortex-A8.html

  "The ARM CortexTM-A8 processor is the first applications processor =
based=20
  on the ARMv7 architecture and is the highest performance, most=20
  power-efficient processor ever developed by ARM. With the ability to=20
  scale in speed from 600MHz to greater than 1GHz, the Cortex-A8 =
processor=20
  can meet the requirements for power-optimized mobile devices needing=20
  operation in less than 300mW; and performance-optimized consumer=20
  applications requiring 2000 Dhrystone MIPS.
  The Cortex-A8 processor is ARM=92s first superscalar processor =
featuring=20
  technology for enhanced code density and performance,  NEON=99 =
technology=20
  for multimedia and signal processing, and Jazelle=AE RCT (Runtime=20
  Compilation Target) technology for efficient support of ahead-of-time=20
  and just-in-time compilation of Java and other bytecode languages. "


  Most Smartphones come with bluetooth & bluetooth mice & keyboards are=20
  growing in range while falling in price. Personally I want a foldable=20
  keyboard with a trackpad.

  Most are coming with a proper USB implemention such that all sorts of=20
  devices could be plugged in.

  Most are coming with pretty impressive storage capacities (or can be=20
  expanded via increasingly capacious & cheap cards).


  Most are headed towards a proper OS as the device constraints come off =

  due to tech advance (e.g. the Iphone OS will be based on OSX i.e. BSD=20
  unix) & Motorola et al are headed to linux.

  The one thing which is missing is the problem of the display & by the=20
  sound of it it's something MS is looking like addressing which is =
good.

  Adam


  > Rich
  > =20
  >=20
  >     "Ad"      > wrote in =
message
  >     news:464bf527$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >     http://www.physorg.com/news98525702.html
  >=20
  >     Ah dear me...after all this time of Rich S decrying the =
phone.....his
  >     masters may be "thinking different".
  >=20
  >     "While the PDA has existed as a sort of mini-PC for years, =
Microsoft
  >     said it would encourage phone manufacturers to formalize the =
transition
  >     of the phone to a mobile PC through a research initiative called
  >     "Fone+"."
  >=20
  >=20
  >     " Microsoft Research chief Craig Mundie said that Microsoft has =
a
  >     research project called "Fone+" that would allow the phone to =
work with
  >     a TV as a secondary display, and one that could allow video =
stored on
  >     the device to be played back on the television.
  >=20
  >     For Microsoft, the challenge is extending the PC platform into =
new
  >     applications and form factors. For many years, the WinHEC =
confeerence
  >     here has served as the underlying foundation for hardware =
initiatives
  >     for the Tablet PC and the more recent UMPC, both of which have
  >     struggled. Microsoft's penetration into the smartphone market, =
however,
  >     has been more successful.
  >=20
  >     "There's no reason that if this thing were hooked up to a large =
display
  >     that we couldn't watch video in this environment," Mundie said. =
"
  >=20
  >     Gosh you mean display is the problem...?
  >=20
  >     Go on mah son sort out smart phone displays for the rest of =
us.....
  >=20
  >=20
  >     Adam
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   If CPU
was the only factor =
than my=20
cell phone is more powerful that some IBM mainframes.  I don't =
think you=20
want to claim that because of the CPU that a phone is a replacement for = a=20
mainframe.  There is a lot more to a PC or most computers than just = the=20
CPU.
 
Rich
 

  "Ad" <Dobbin{at}theStablesC=">mailto:Dobbin{at}theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin{at}theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com>=20
  wrote in message news:464d52db{at}w3.nls.net...Ri=
ch=20
  wrote:>    I don't decry the
phone.  I very =
much=20
  like my smartphone.  It's not a > PC
replacement and not =
even=20
  close.  That's not to say a future one > couldn't be =
closer. =20
  What is reported below is not the phone replacing > the PC as =
much as=20
  being a portable media player.  The actual article > =
describes=20
  other specialty applications not the general purpose > =
functionality of=20
  a PC.>Riiigght so you do nuclear =
simulations?Most=20
  smartphones are or are approaching where my old PC/my son's win2K =
pc is=20
  (PIII 500 + 256 mb of ram) at least in processor
terms.& =
soon=20
  they'll be quite a lot faster e.g.http://www.a" target="new">http://www.a=">http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM_Cortex-A8.html">http://www.a=
rm.com/products/CPUs/ARM_Cortex-A8.html"The=20
  ARM CortexTM-A8 processor is the first applications processor based =
on the=20
  ARMv7 architecture and is the highest performance, most =
power-efficient=20
  processor ever developed by ARM. With the ability to scale in =
speed from=20
  600MHz to greater than 1GHz, the Cortex-A8 processor can meet the=20
  requirements for power-optimized mobile devices needing operation =
in less=20
  than 300mW; and performance-optimized consumer applications =
requiring 2000=20
  Dhrystone MIPS.The Cortex-A8 processor is ARM=92s first =
superscalar=20
  processor featuring technology for enhanced code density and=20
  performance,  NEON=99 technology for multimedia and signal =
processing,=20
  and Jazelle=AE RCT (Runtime Compilation Target) technology for =
efficient=20
  support of ahead-of-time and just-in-time compilation of Java and =
other=20
  bytecode languages. "Most Smartphones
come with bluetooth =
&=20
  bluetooth mice & keyboards are growing in range while falling =
in=20
  price. Personally I want a foldable keyboard with a =
trackpad.Most=20
  are coming with a proper USB implemention such that all sorts of =
devices=20
  could be plugged in.Most are coming with pretty impressive =
storage=20
  capacities (or can be expanded via increasingly capacious & =
cheap=20
  cards).Most are headed towards a proper OS
as the device=20
  constraints come off due to tech advance (e.g. the Iphone OS will =
be based=20
  on OSX i.e. BSD unix) & Motorola et al are headed to =
linux.The=20
  one thing which is missing is the problem of the display & by the=20
  sound of it it's something MS is looking like addressing which is=20
  good.Adam>
Rich>  >=20
  >     "Ad"
<Dobbin{at}theStablesC=">mailto:Dobbin{at}theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin{at}theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com>    =20
  <mailto:Dobbin{at}theS=">mailto:Dobbin{at}theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">mailto:Dobbin{at}theS=
tablesCloseToTheAirport.com>>=20
  wrote in message>     news:464bf527$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>    =20
  http://www.physorg.com/" target="new">http://www.physorg.com/=">http://www.physorg.com/news98525702.html">http://www.physorg.com/=
news98525702.html>=20
  >     Ah dear
me...after all this time of =
Rich S=20
  decrying the
phone.....his>    
masters may =
be=20
  "thinking different".>
>     "While =
the PDA=20
  has existed as a sort of mini-PC for years,=20
  Microsoft>     said
it would encourage =
phone=20
  manufacturers to formalize the =
transition>     of=20
  the phone to a mobile PC through a research initiative=20
  called>    
"Fone+"."> >=20
  >     "
Microsoft Research chief Craig =
Mundie said=20
  that Microsoft has
a>     research
project =
called=20
  "Fone+" that would allow the phone to work=20
  with>     a TV as a
secondary display, and =
one that=20
  could allow video stored
on>     the device =
to be=20
  played back on the television.> =
>     For=20
  Microsoft, the challenge is extending the PC platform into=20
  new>    
applications and form factors. For =
many=20
  years, the WinHEC
confeerence>     here
has =
served=20
  as the underlying foundation for hardware=20
  initiatives>     for
the Tablet PC and the =
more=20
  recent UMPC, both of which
have>     =
struggled.=20
  Microsoft's penetration into the smartphone market,=20
  however,>     has been more =
successful.>=20
  >     "There's
no reason that if this thing =
were=20
  hooked up to a large
display>     that we =
couldn't=20
  watch video in this environment," Mundie said. ">=20
  >     Gosh you mean
display is the=20
  problem...?>
>     Go on mah son =
sort out=20
  smart phone displays for the rest of us.....>
>=20
  >    
Adam

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