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   What you now discuss is a far cry from the question you asked =
earlier.  My reply to this is simple.  Don't expect me to post =
Microsoft's unannounced plans whatever they may be.  My suggestion to = you
is that lacking any announcement to the contrary, I would assume the =
status quo.

Rich

  "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:41fd81a5{at}w3.nls.net...
  Yes I believe Microsoft uses a subscription model in it's business. =
The question is are there plans for the Operating System to be part of =
this? What parts of the MS product line will use a 'deactivation = feature'
similar to the one used by Office XP in New Zealand and =
'delayed' in the US in 2001? =20

  =
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,60282,=
00.html

  Microsoft Corp. has reversed itself and decided not to offer its =
upcoming Office XP application suite to U.S. users via an Internet-based =
subscription service when the software first becomes available this =
month.=20

  However, a Microsoft official said late Friday that executives at the =
company had decided to scrap the subscription model in the U.S. for the =
time being, in an effort to ensure that users have "a near-perfect =
experience with how this [upgrade] is delivered."=20


  Office XP will still be available through a subscription model "in a =
few select locations" elsewhere in the world, the Microsoft official =
said, adding that the company does plan to eventually offer the software =
on a subscription basis in the U.S. However, no specific schedule for =
doing that was disclosed.=20



  "Rich"  wrote in message news:41fd7950$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       You didn't ask a question.  You just rambled on about what you =
believe are various business models for software.

    Rich

      "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:41fd4646{at}w3.nls.net...
      Of course a 'rental' OS doesn't exist ( that I know of )  from MS. =
It appears that MS has pursued a subscription model with OfficeXP in =
various countries. One can make an assumption that if this is successful =
financially  the bean counters at MS would seek the subscription model =
moved to other product lines including the OS.  I would expect any =
company to pursue avenues to increase their revenue.  I wouldn't expect =
you to confirm or comment on any future plans of a subscription OS ( or =
any other future plans for MS that weren't already publicly available).

      I'm not sure if anything like a guarantee from MS that the company =
would not move to a subscription model for  for at least x number of years is feasible but something needs
= to be done.=20
        "Rich"  wrote in message news:41fd3ea9{at}w3.nls.net...
           Then ask the question again because the one you did ask =
assumes the existence of something that does not exist, an annual =
subscription to Windows XP that relies on activation to handle when the =
user chooses not to renew.  As I mentioned, I've never heard of an = annual
subscription for Windows XP.  Based on your reply it doesn't = sound like
you have either.

        Rich

          "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:41fd2ce3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          That wasn't the question. Whether you like it or not there is =
a concern in the IT community about MS and future plans to rent it's =
software ( OS included ) with a yearly subscription fee. MS has done =
nothing to alleviate those fears with it's current plans that basically =
call legitimate activated users of XP 'liars' and make them re-certify =
their systems.=20

          "Rich"  wrote in message news:41fd2020$1{at}w3.nls.net...
               I've never heard of an annual subscription for Windows =
XP.  Have you?

            Rich

              "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:41fd1872{at}w3.nls.net...
              But does MS have in it's plan that it would shut off the =
server if the user didn't pay a yearly subscription fee as they were =
doing to Office XP in other countries?

              http://news.com.com/2100-1001-269085.html?legacy=3Dcnet
              The deactivation feature works similarly in countries such =
as Australia and New Zealand, where Microsoft offers Office XP for sale =
on an annual subscription basis. The activation technology turns off the =
software unless the subscriber pays for another year's use.=20

                "Rich"  wrote in message
news:41fd1029{at}w3.nls.net...
                   "Those who have moved to XP however are screwed, once =
microsoft shuts off the activation server because they no longer support =
XP".  Now it is your turn to provide proof of this or retract your
claim = and apologize.

                Rich

                  "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:41fcf0ad$1{at}w3.nls.net...
                  You said "Actually, mike miller started this thread =
with his lie and george's before it." and you also said "If you
believe = I made a specific claim that is false, please quote it
exactly."

                  Ok you claimed I lied, I believe that specific claim =
is false.

                  Geo.
                    "Rich"  wrote in message =
news:41fc56cb{at}w3.nls.net...
                       Actually, mike miller started this thread with =
his lie and george's before it.  Ask him to prove his claims or retract =
them.  My only claim here is that mike miller's claims are lies =
specifically in regard to enterprise users who do not require activation =
today.  If you believe I made a specific claim that is false, please =
quote it exactly.

                    Rich
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   What you
now discuss is a =
far cry from=20
the question you asked earlier.  My reply to this is
simple.  = Don't=20
expect me to post Microsoft's unannounced plans whatever they may =
be.  My=20
suggestion to you is that lacking any announcement to the contrary, I = would=20
assume the status quo.
 
Rich
 

  "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
wrote =
in message=20
  news:41fd81a5{at}w3.nls.net...
  Yes I believe Microsoft uses a subscription model =
in it's=20
  business. The question is are there plans for the Operating=20
  System to be part of this? What parts of the MS product line will =
use a=20
  'deactivation feature' similar to the one used by Office XP in New =
Zealand and=20
  'delayed' in the US in 2001?  
   
  http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,1080=
1,60282,00.html">http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/sto=
ry/0,10801,60282,00.html
   
  Microsoft Corp. has reversed itself and decided not to offer its =
upcoming=20
  Office XP application suite to U.S. users via an Internet-based =
subscription=20
  service when the software first becomes available this month. 
   
  
  However, a Microsoft official said late Friday that executives at =
the=20
  company had decided to scrap the subscription model in the U.S. for =
the time=20
  being, in an effort to ensure that users have "a near-perfect =
experience with=20
  how this [upgrade] is delivered."=20
  
  Office XP will still be available through a subscription model "in =
a few=20
  select locations" elsewhere in the world, the Microsoft official said, =
adding=20
  that the company does plan to eventually offer the software on a =
subscription=20
  basis in the U.S. However, no specific schedule for doing that was =
disclosed.=20
  
   
   
  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:41fd7950$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  

       You
didn't ask a =
question. =20
    You just rambled on about what you believe are various business =
models for=20
    software.
     
    Rich
     
    

      "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
      message news:41fd4646{at}w3.nls.net...
      Of course a 'rental' OS
doesn't exist ( =
that I know=20
      of )  from MS. It appears that MS has pursued a =
subscription=20
      model with OfficeXP in various countries. One can make an =
assumption that=20
      if this is successful financially  the bean counters at MS =
would seek=20
      the subscription model moved to other product lines including =
the OS.=20
       I would expect any company to pursue avenues to increase =
their=20
      revenue.  I wouldn't expect you to confirm or comment on =
any=20
      future plans of a subscription OS ( or any other future plans for =
MS that=20
      weren't already publicly available).
       
      I'm not sure if anything like a
guarantee from =
MS=20
      that the company would not move to a subscription model for =
<fill=20
      in the name of the software> for at least x number of years is =
feasible=20
      but something needs to be done. 
      

        "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:41fd3ea9{at}w3.nls.net...
          
Then ask the =
question again=20
        because the one you did ask assumes the existence of something =
that does=20
        not exist, an annual subscription to Windows XP that relies on=20
        activation to handle when the user chooses not to =
renew.  As I=20
        mentioned, I've never heard of an annual subscription for =
Windows=20
        XP.  Based on your reply it doesn't sound like you have=20
        either.
         
        Rich
         
        

          "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
wrote in =

          message news:41fd2ce3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          That wasn't the question. Whether
you like =
it or not=20
          there is a concern in the IT community about MS and future =
plans to=20
          rent it's software ( OS included ) with a yearly subscription =
fee. MS=20
          has done nothing to alleviate those fears with it's current =
plans that=20
          basically call legitimate activated users of XP 'liars' and =
make them=20
          re-certify their systems. 
           
          "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:41fd2020$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          

               I've never =
heard of an=20
            annual subscription for Windows XP.  Have =
you?
             
            Rich
             
            

              "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>=20
              wrote in message news:41fd1872{at}w3.nls.net...
              But does MS have in it's plan
that it=20
              would shut off the server if the user didn't pay a =
yearly=20
              subscription fee as they were doing to Office XP in other=20
              countries?
               
              http://n" target="new">http://n=">http://news.com.com/2100-1001-269085.html?legacy=3Dcnet">http://n=
ews.com.com/2100-1001-269085.html?legacy=3Dcnet
              
              The deactivation feature works similarly in countries =
such as=20
              Australia and New Zealand, where Microsoft offers Office =
XP for=20
              sale on an annual subscription basis. The activation =
technology=20
              turns off the software unless the subscriber pays for =
another=20
              year's use. 
              

                "Rich" <{at}> wrote in
message news:41fd1029{at}w3.nls.net...
                   "Those who =
have moved=20
                to XP however are screwed, once microsoft shuts off the=20
                activation server because they no longer support =
XP".  Now=20
                it is your turn to provide proof of this or retract your =
claim=20
                and apologize.
                 
                Rich
                 
                

                  "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in=20
                  message news:41fcf0ad$1{at}w3.nls.net...
                  You said
"Actually, =
mike miller=20
                  started this thread with his lie and george's =
before it."=20
                  and you also said "If you believe I made a specific =
claim that=20
                  is false, please quote it exactly."
                   
                  Ok you claimed I =
lied, I believe=20
                  that specific claim is false.
                   
                  Geo.
                  

                    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in
message news:41fc56cb{at}w3.nls.net...
                       =
Actually, mike=20
                    miller started this thread with his lie and =
george's=20
                    before it.  Ask him to prove his claims or =
retract=20
                    them.  My only claim here is that mike miller's =
claims=20
                    are lies specifically in regard to enterprise users =
who do=20
                    not require activation today.  If you believe I =
made a=20
                    specific claim that is false, please quote it=20
                    exactly.
                     
                    Rich

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