On 2018 Jul 04 00:30:24, you wrote to me:

 MV>>> Widen your horizon.

 ml>> what do you think i've been doing by asking all these questions and
 ml>> posting responses looking for correction??

 MV> So you really had no idea about how the telephone system works down
 MV> under and in most of Europe. You do not know about the leading zero in
 MV> area codes and you do not know that dialling the full number was alway
 MV> possible in Australia.

i didn't say i didn't have any knowledge about it... remember, there's many
years and a lot of friends gone... RA was developed in Oz... Fastecho is
German... FrontDoor is well, Frontdoor was developed in several countries...
don't you think that we talked about things like this in our beta echos and/or
in private? we won't forget about all the support echos that once existed with
500+ messages a day each...

 MV> That lack of knowledge did not stop you from claiming with 100%
 MV> certainty for the last two decades that it is impossible to
 MV> accidentaly dial the Aussie emergency number...

your lack of knowledge about me, my history, and my experience certainly
doesn't stop you from claiming with 100% certainty that i don't know of what i
speak... like i said, a lot of time has passed... would it not be proper for me
to ask questions to refresh my memory and to learn about new capabilities and
methods? we don't see you doing that...

 MV>>> Area codes are always dialled with a leading zero to distinguish
 MV>>> them from local numbers.

 ml>> we don't do that... 0 is the operator...

 MV> 000 used to be the operator here. You do not want to automatically
 MV> dial that by accident either...

:)

 MV> Actually it is very simple here. Much simpler than with you system of
 MV> area codes that are not easy to distinguish from ecchange codes by
 MV> dumb robots. Seeing that the middle digit of a three digit code is 0
 MV> or 1 is easy for a human. Hard for an electromagnetic exchange.

bollocks! it is binary... the digital exchanges can easily tell what the digits
are... have you even been in a central office? i know quite a few of us have ;)


 MV>>>  There is no such thng as "LD wires" here.

 ml>> how do you make LD calls to other countries, then?

 MV> Dial the international accesscode (00) followed by the country code,
 MV> etc, etc..

that puts you into the LD equipment (aka LD wires) ;)

 ml>> LD calls travel differently than plain domestic or local calls ;)

 MV> Your system is different. You have the 1 prefix for LD calls. There is
 MV> no equivalent here.

that doesn't matter... a LD call still travels via different cabling...

 MV>>> There is no penalty on calling a local number with the full ten
 MV>>> digit sequence, the cost is the same.

 ml>> interesting...

 MV> In the past it was not possible to dial the full number when  making a
 MV> local call. With the coming of electronics exchanges they became smart
 MV> enough to recognise a call destined for the own area code. Such a call
 MV> is routed exactly the same as a local call dialled without the area
 MV> code.

i bet those exchanges can also tell if the 2nd number dialed is a 0 or a 1, too
;)

 MV>>> Calling Scott Little's system by dialling 02-9727-7775 works from
 MV>>> within all of Australia at no extra cost.

 ml>> i wonder what happens if they include the leading 61-? and using 0x
 ml>> from everywhere in OZ works, then they only need a dial translation
 ml>> table to strip 000- and a cost table to set a high cost for 000-
 ml>> nubers to prevent POTS mailers from trying to dial them...

 MV> What makes you assume that every POTS mailer supports cost tables?

what makes you assume they do not?

 MV>>> The example works.

 ml>> in this case, sure but more testing is needed by those with knowledge
 ml>> of how it used to work and how it works today...

 MV> What more is there to test? Bj”rn asked for a translation table that
would:

 MV> 1) Allow an Aussie node to call his/her NC.
 MV> 2) Allow dialling 000 from the nodelist.

 MV> I have done that. End of story.

if it is the end of your story, you may sit down now and leave others to
discuss it further if they like ;)

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