SH> What you have there sounds like fun albeit bone jarring.  But the Great

Here I really need an English lesson.
Albeit bone jarring?

 SH> Lakes are a bit bigger than Vanern which is one reason why they rarely
 SH> freeze,  But I am sure the water gets cold.

It's nothing I would like to take a bath in.
A "normal" cold winter the entire Lake Vanern turns into ice.
This morning it was 12 deg. C below 0 and this isn't normal so early in the year.

//Bjorn

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