DB> RT> Begorrah, you are on to something.  Family values (and by that I
 DB> RT> do't mean just a mommy and a daddy) have been declining for years.
 DB> RT>  Many kids today have absolutely no remorse for any trouble or
 DB> RT> pain that they cause.  Thankfully, there are a great many of them
 DB> RT> who still do.
 DB> Have you noticed the state has decided it knows how to raise children 
 DB> better than the parents? Could this have something to do with it? 
 DB> Geeze, descipline you own child by "warming his buns" and you get an 
 DB> abuse charge... I'm not talking about welts, and bruises... I'm just 
 DB> talking about a good-old-fashioned fanny reddening.
   When there are no consequences, thre is no learning.  When there are no 
lumps there is no learning.  I was not abused as a child, but I DID get my 
arse warmed from time to time, and it damaged neither my arse nor my psyche - 
indeed it helped me to understand the concept of LIMITS and BOUNDARIES -
cncepts being lost today in an attempt to be a pal to a kid.
 DB> When the state gives parents their kids back, I'll bet 10-1 we'll see 
 DB> better family values and a bit more social order. While I'm at it, 
 DB> bring back the draft; if only for forestry or some other form of non 
 DB> combantant national service, for lack of an enemy to point at!
   More than 30 years ago, when I was in Germany, their draft worked that 
way - EVERYONE went, but some were firefighters, some foresters, some were 
even cops,and they served their obligation in those venues as well as 
ace-in-
the-mud grunts. My ime in the service did me no lasting harm, and plenty of 
good - and the draft that brought me to an enlistment made me make a choice 
and take an action that kids today don't have to make or to take.  it was a 
hard choice, but it was MINE and like or lump it, I knew who the asshole was 
that put me in whatever mess I was in - and to see him, all I had to do was 
to 
go into the bathroom and look in a mirror!
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