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echo: fidonews
to: DALE SHIPP
from: MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST
date: 2018-07-01 00:00:00
subject: The 000 country phon

Hello Dale,

On Saturday June 30 2018 01:07, you wrote to me:

 MVDV>> I vaguely remember you mentioning that when we discussed  this
 MVDV>> about a decade ago. I do not recall all the details,

 DS> Perhaps so, and I do not recall the details either.  As you say later,
 DS> it most likely no longer matters as far as Intermail is concerned.

I looked in my archives and I see that my IM.EXE is dated 06/04/1998. 20 years
old. I can't remember if that is the date of the original .exe or if the date
was changed when I applied tppatch.exe to fix the infamous error 400 problem.

Whatever... I enjoyed using it and it served me well at the time. But twenty
years of water has flowed through the river and the world has changed and so
has Fidonet. InterMail was written for the POTS age. It managed to survive ISDN
with some external help, but that was it.

Analog telephony and ISDN are on the way out. It is all VOIP these days. And
although modem over VOIP works to a certain extent, it is like putting a
saddled horse on a trailer behind a car. Forget about the saddle, forget about
the horse, forget the trailer, just use the car to get from A to B.

 MVDV>> but I do remember studying the manual and like you not
 MVDV>> finding a documented way to do it. I have dropped InterMail
 MVDV>> when I dropped POTS over 5 years ago and the manual is
 MVDV>> probably stlll somewehere around, but it is not within
 MVDV>> reach.

 DS> I dropped it when other factors made me go to windows and I moved to
 DS> Argus.  That is where I still am.  It works well enough for me.

Yes, there is that. InterMail got stuck on DOS. The users wanted an OS/2
version, but Peter was working on a native Windows version. Neither got of the
ground...

 MVDV>> One of the weak points of Fidonet is that it is so hard to get
 MVDV>> rid of bad  ideas. One of those bad ideas is putting IP numbers
 MVDV>> in the telephone number field. It is in the nature of
 MVDV>> development

 DS> For many, IP numbers are a transitory thing anyhow, at the whim of
 DS> their Internet provider.  I did once have a fixed IP address, but that
 DS> provider went bankrupt.

I too started out with a static IP address. But even those presumably "fixed"
adresses are not for eternity, using a host name is more flexible. Upating the
DNS records is much faster than updating the nodelist.


Cheers, Michiel

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