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echo: educator
to: RON MCDERMOTT
from: MICHAEL MARTINEZ
date: 1996-08-01 17:59:00
subject: Re: IVAN ILLICH 2/3

 -=> Quoting Ron McDermott to Michael Martinez <=-
 RM> Without the training I received IN school, I would not be
 RM> working in my present occupation.  Seems to me that it was
 RM> necessary for MY survival?!
 
 MM>If you didn't go to school, you'd be surviving by doing something
 MM>else, I guarantee you that.
 RM> Yep, the government seems perfectly willing to ensure that
 RM> I wouldn't starve, and I guess I could live in a tent or
 RM> something, maybe beg... This is beginning to sound a bit
 RM> like the early Christians - You know, consider the Lillies
 RM> of the field who neither toil.... and yet GOD provides for
 RM> them....
That's the only other option you can think of, government welfare?
What about working as a mechanic, a driver, cleaning houses, painting,
trading in the black market, being a chef or a cook,  ... ?
 
 RM> I learned SOME stuff from my family, and SOME of the stuff
 RM> that people learn from THEIR families is hurtful!
 
 MM>Weeding out people is not the definition of learning.
 RM> No... It's the consequence of FAILING to learn...
 
Only according to today's educational-system definition of learning, which
does not define learning, it defines an institution and its product.
 RM> We are NOT the only species which has a language; whales and 
 RM> dolphins come immediately to mind as having one.  Honeybees
 RM> have a limited, but quite effective "language" which conveys
 RM> the concept of distance and heading to a food source.  Etc.
Those aren't languages, those are the infexible uses of animal
symbols.  To learn about language, I recommend reading Noam
Chomsky, _Reflections on Language_.
-michael
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