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   Irrelevant.

   False too.  From the article "US saw only a third of that growth at =
3.5%"

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45bff2db{at}w3.nls.net...
  PC sales aren't up.=20
  http://www.electronista.com/articles/06/12/20/pc.sales.stagnant.in.us/

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45be9711{at}w3.nls.net...
     Every time I hear all about (digital music players, DVD players, =
flat=20
  panel TVs, HDTVs, etc) the numbers do nothing but go up.

     Hmm.  Maybe they are.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45be932f{at}w3.nls.net...
    Every time I hear about how much so and so is loosing due to =
pirating, the
    numbers do nothing but go up. I have never heard anyone claiming =
that the
    dollar losses due to piracy have been reduced. In the early 1990's =
they
    claimed a billion dollars a year lost to piracy, then it was 4bn =
then 10bn
    now we are up to $50bn per year world wide. I mean come on.. Oh and =
don't=20
  go
    and quote any bullshit percentage numbers, I'm counting dollars =
here.

    And since these numbers cover all the software in the world, well =
then it
    only makes sense that they also cover all the copy protection in the =
world
    doesn't it?

    Anyone here can tell you about the spams hocking office, it's =
nothing new.

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45be167e{at}w3.nls.net...
       One the basis of one offer you make this claim?  Also, from where =
did=20
  you
    pull the nonsense "all the copyprotection in the world"?

    Rich

      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bdd6ed$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      I just got a spam offering me office 2007 for $70, you want to =
explain=20
  to
    me
      how all the copyprotection in the world PLUS the best spam filters
    available
      has failed to even make a dent in this?

      Geo.

      "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bd2a21$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         Piracy was an issue with the VCR.  Pirates set up banks of =
recorders=20
  to
      make pirate copies.  It was time consuming and had real costs both =
in=20
  time
      and in physical media.  CDs and DVDs have the same but costs are =
much
    lower.
      Sure there is money to be made but that doesn't excuse piracy.  =
The=20
  issue
    is
      that the balance between the cost of real product and the cost or=20
  pirated
      copies has shifted dramatically.  Pirated copies now have a cost =
that is
      effectively zero.

         If is not your place to set the price for someone else's work.  =
If=20
  you
      don't like the price don't buy it.  If you steal it you are a =
crook and
      should come clean.  If you ever create something of your own, and =
in=20
  years
      of discussing this you have never hinted that you are likely ever =
to do
    so,
      you can set your own price.

      Rich

        "Geo."  wrote in message=20
  news:45bd2790$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        This is the same argument that they used against the VCR, it =
allows
    anyone
        to pirate stuff soooo easily... and yet it enabled the movie=20
  industries
    to
        make more money than they ever dreamed possible.

        The internet is no different.

        You need to understand something, people are basically honest =
folks=20
  who
      pay
        for what they want. All you need to do is figure out what they =
want=20
  and
      make
        it available at a price point that they find acceptable. The =
internet=20
  is
    a
        wet dream for this if the copyright nuts don't fuck it up with =
their
    same
        old nonsense.

        Geo.

        "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bd239b{at}w3.nls.net...
           Stronger protections are due to one thing, technological =
advances
    that
        make piracy easier with increases in connection speeds being a =
major=20
  one
      if
        not the major one.  10 years ago people didn't steal movies over =
the
        internet like they do today because it wasn't practical.  20 =
years ago
    you
        had to distribute physical media which took significant time to
    duplicate.

           I don't see copy protection restrictions becoming any more
    restrictive.
        They seem focused on one thing, don't allow unlicenced copying.

           It's very interesting that this seems to affect your life so =
much.=20
  I
        could see this if you are one of the folks active in pirating =
software
    and
        content.  I can't think of a single example where any such=20
  restrictions
      have
        affected me but I'm not a pirate.

        Rich
          "Geo."  wrote in message
    news:45bced48$1{at}w3.nls.net...


          The whole thing is being motivated by the desire of the =
software and
        content
          industries to have more and more restrictive options for copy
    protection
        and
          licensing use.

          Geo.

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Irrelevant.
 
   False
too.  From the =
article=20
"US saw only a
third of that = growth at=20
3.5%"
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45bff2db{at}w3.nls.net...PC=
 sales=20
  aren't up. http://www.electronista.com/articles/06/12/20/pc.sales.stagnant.i=
n.us/">http://www.electronista.com/articles/06/12/20/pc.sales.stagnant.in=
.us/Geo."Rich"=20
  <{at}> wrote in message news:45be9711{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
  Every time I hear all about (digital music players, DVD players, flat=20
  panel TVs, HDTVs, etc) the numbers do nothing but go=20
  up.   Hmm.  Maybe they =
are.Rich =20
  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:45be932f{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
  Every time I hear about how much so and so is loosing due to pirating, =

  the  numbers do nothing but go up. I have never heard anyone =
claiming=20
  that the  dollar losses due to piracy have been reduced. In =
the early=20
  1990's they  claimed a billion dollars a year lost to piracy, =
then it=20
  was 4bn then 10bn  now we are up to $50bn per year world =
wide. I mean=20
  come on.. Oh and don't go  and quote any bullshit =
percentage=20
  numbers, I'm counting dollars here.  And since these =
numbers=20
  cover all the software in the world, well then it  only makes =
sense=20
  that they also cover all the copy protection in the world  =
doesn't=20
  it?  Anyone here can tell you about the
spams hocking =
office,=20
  it's nothing new. 
Geo.  "Rich" <{at}> =
wrote in=20
  message news:45be167e{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;   =20
  One the basis of one offer you make this claim?  Also, from where =
did=20
  you  pull the nonsense "all the
copyprotection in the=20
  world"? 
Rich    "Geo."
<georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45bdd6ed$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  I just got a spam offering me office 2007 for $70, you want to explain =

  to 
me    how all the copyprotection =
in the=20
  world PLUS the best spam filters  =
available    has=20
  failed to even make a dent in
this?   =20
  Geo.    "Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:45bd2a21$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
      =20
  Piracy was an issue with the VCR.  Pirates set up banks of =
recorders=20
  to    make pirate
copies.  It was time =
consuming=20
  and had real costs both in
time    and in =
physical=20
  media.  CDs and DVDs have the same but costs are
much =20
  lower.    Sure there is money to be
made but that =
doesn't=20
  excuse piracy.  The issue 
is    =
that the=20
  balance between the cost of real product and the cost or=20
  pirated    copies has shifted =
dramatically. =20
  Pirated copies now have a cost that is    =
effectively=20
 
zero.      
If is not your place =
to set=20
  the price for someone else's work.  If =
you   =20
  don't like the price don't buy it.  If you steal it you are a =
crook=20
  and    should come clean. 
If you ever create=20
  something of your own, and in
years    of =
discussing=20
  this you have never hinted that you are likely ever to do =20
  so,    you can set your own=20
  price.    =
Rich     =20
  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:45bd2790$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
     =20
  This is the same argument that they used against the VCR, it =
allows =20
  anyone      to
pirate stuff soooo =
easily... and=20
  yet it enabled the movie industries =20
  to      make more
money than they ever =
dreamed=20
 
possible.     
The internet is no=20
 
different.     
You need to =
understand=20
  something, people are basically honest folks =
who   =20
  pay      for what
they want. All you need =
to do=20
  is figure out what they want
and   =20
  make      it
available at a price point =

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