From: "Geo." 

Why does anyone run an offsite or tape backup of a computer system?

Geo.

"Rich"  wrote in message news:45bd2054{at}w3.nls.net...
   I don't know about other vendors but nothing is tied to the HD serial
number.  The serial number is one factor in recognizing if the software has
been copied to another computer.  So what?  There is no lock.  You are free
to install the software according to the license.

   Your claimed end result is still bogus and you are making no attempt to
support it with facts.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45bced48$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Ok good, go with that quote. I was talking about (in the case of MS) vista
  and in the case of other vendors the mention of an app that was tying
itself
  to a HD serial number.

  The whole thing is being motivated by the desire of the software and
content
  industries to have more and more restrictive options for copy protection
and
  licensing use. In the end this is going to hurt Microsoft because it will
  lead to buying new software when you buy a new computer. This is
microsoft's
  current goal with vista and other vendors aren't going to be able to
resist
  it either. It means more money for them, how could they possibly not do
it?

  The end result is throw your OS and apps away with your computer, this
  should be a huge concern for MS because it will result in no motivation to
  stick with an OS in order to not have to buy apps all over again. That was
  my point, you are free to claim it's not happening and since it's just at
  the beginning I'll agree that is arguable, make the assumption that it is
  happening and then tell me I'm wrong about where it will lead. That's
really
  the discussion I was trying to have with you, I see it as unavoidable
unless
  software moves to a service model which I don't think is a workable model.

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bcdd4c{at}w3.nls.net...
     I removed too much.  You're quote isn't relevant.  The one that is that
  triggered the discussion is

      You know, tying apps to the hardware could be a huge negative for MS.
I
    mean
      suddenly it's not an issue of being able to keep your old software so
  you
      aren't anchored to a platform or OS anymore. Kinda makes investment in
      applications a non-factor when considering a hardware upgrade.

  It seems you are trying to change the discussion from this to the
  independent topic of licensing which for Microsoft and other vendors often
  limits the number of computers on which the software may be simultaneously
  installed.  In the case of Office System 2007 that may be two for a normal
  copy.  I checked my Outlook license which contains

    2.  INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.  Before you use the software under a
  license, you must assign that license to one device.  That device is the
  "licensed device."  A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a
  separate device.
    a. Licensed Device.  You may install and use one copy of the software on
  the licensed device.
    b. Portable Device.  You may install another copy on a portable device
for
  use by the single primary user of the licensed device.

  I expect volume and other licenses have other limits.  None of this is
  locking applications to hardware.  You are free to move the software among
  computers as the license allows.

  So again, if you have some actual instances of locking by Microsoft and
can
  support your claims that Microsoft is helping ISVs to lock their
  applications, please speak up.  Otherwise, stop making up crap and using
it
  to try to support your bogus claims.

  Rich

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