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to: Rich
from: Glenn Meadows
date: 2007-01-28 12:47:32
subject: Re: System migration

From: "Glenn Meadows" 

Many in the audio industry still use the dongle approach to try to deal
with illegal copying.  It works OK I guess, but there are typically cracked
versions pretty quickly available.

People buy their own iLoc dongle, and provide it's serial number when they
purchase audio plugins for their workstations, and they get sent a specific
unlock key that mates to the dongle.

In that scenario, you can move the dongle from one computer to another, and
the same plugins will work on the other computer when the dongle is
attached.

--

Glenn M.
"Rich"  wrote in message news:45bc1971$1{at}w3.nls.net...
   I have no clue what you are talking about.  I have seen nothing that
suggests Microsoft is doing this itself let alone working with ISVs to do
this.  If you have, please be very explicit and provide references to
microsoft.com.

   ISVs, though never Microsoft that I'm aware, have used dongles for this
in the past.  I suspect some still do as a market for such devices still
exists.  See http://www.keylok.com/.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45bbf1bf{at}w3.nls.net...
  I was talking about all software that runs on a PC and how in it's quest
for
  absolute copy protection and the ability to license software only on one
  machine Microsoft is now working to make it possible for all ISV's to tie
  their software to the physical computer. Throw the computer away, throw
the
  apps away.

  It is a concept that will make it easier for users to run away from
windows.

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bbe753$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     Microsoft applications that use activation to limit piracy can be moved
  between systems.  I'm not aware of any Microsoft application that is tied
to
  a specific computer.

     Maybe you are thinking of other ISVs.  I suspect that some expensive
  vertical applications (e.g. CAD) might still use dongles or equivalent.  I
  have a cousin with some macintosh computers used for point of sale that
were
  hit by this.  He wanted to replace his old macs with new ones and only
after
  the new ones arrived did he find the apps didn't move easily.  It didn't
  help that apple switched from PPC to x86 as well as made major
incompatible
  changes in the OS.  The existing apps he had wouldn't run on the new
  computer in any way.  He had to update the app three times to multiple
  intermediate versions to get the data moved.  I don't remember what he had
  to get them approved for the new computer.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45bbb11b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    You know, tying apps to the hardware could be a huge negative for MS. I
  mean
    suddenly it's not an issue of being able to keep your old software so
you
    aren't anchored to a platform or OS anymore. Kinda makes investment in
    applications a non-factor when considering a hardware upgrade.

    Rich, someone needs to ask the folks in charge of Microsoft, "is this
  really
    where you want to go today?".. because this is a case where perhaps MS
can
    pull it off for the OS (tying it to the hardware) but allowing
  applications
    to do this is going to really hurt when it comes to the fickle users
  looking
    at alternatives like Mac or Linux. Suddenly those users have to buy new
    application software no matter what their upgrade choices are..

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45ba5662$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       I would recommend reinstalling any applications and migrating your
  data,

       If you have applications that are coupled to the old hardware the OS
is
    not a factor.

    Rich

      "Richard B."  wrote in message
    news:prbkr2l32mltbvmuu55d5i83lfh2h5gqqi{at}4ax.com...
      You have your current PC.  You decide to buy a brand new one, one that
      comes with XP preinstalled.

      How do *you* migrate all of your applications, some of which had to be
      activated on that old hardware, to the new hardware with minimal pain?
      Does this really require a corp key for the OS so you can image/move
      everything?

      - Richard

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