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echo: educator
to: CARL BOGARDUS
from: MICHAEL MARTINEZ
date: 1996-08-01 17:20:00
subject: Re: Ivan Illich

 -=> Quoting Carl Bogardus to Michael Martinez <=-
 MM> Illich's system really is the best way to promote learning.  Education
 MM> doesn't promote learning.  It just forces pre-decided concepts on
 MM> people, the current fads, and weeds out those students who aren't
 MM> adept at this kind of "learning".
 CB> Well, I don't think the system will promote learning. I don't think
 CB> you have been around kids very much. Very few will be self-motivated
 CB> enough to chase after self-education to the extent you describe. My
Everyone always brings up this point.  But I ask you, what is the
problem with not being motivated enough?  It's the parents' responsiblity
to teach their kids what they need to survive, as it always has been
before school was ever invented.  But why should schools force the
teaching of other skills, on kids who aren't interested?
What has anyone learned in high school that they use today?  I didn't
learn _anything_ in high school that I need to know or use today.
 CB> Parents sometime are victims to the latest fads
 CB> also. Mexico practices this kind of learning after 8th grade-however
 CB> it is only the more wealthy families that can afford schooling or
 CB> tutors or "expert teachers". 
Then there's the autonomous university in Mexico City which is free, or
very cheap.
-michael
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