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   I have no clue what you are talking about.  I have seen nothing that =
suggests Microsoft is doing this itself let alone working with ISVs to = do
this.  If you have, please be very explicit and provide references to =
microsoft.com.

   ISVs, though never Microsoft that I'm aware, have used dongles for =
this in the past.  I suspect some still do as a market for such devices =
still exists.  See http://www.keylok.com/.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45bbf1bf{at}w3.nls.net...
  I was talking about all software that runs on a PC and how in it's =
quest for=20
  absolute copy protection and the ability to license software only on =
one=20
  machine Microsoft is now working to make it possible for all ISV's to =
tie=20
  their software to the physical computer. Throw the computer away, =
throw the=20
  apps away.

  It is a concept that will make it easier for users to run away from =
windows.

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bbe753$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     Microsoft applications that use activation to limit piracy can be =
moved=20
  between systems.  I'm not aware of any Microsoft application that is =
tied to=20
  a specific computer.

     Maybe you are thinking of other ISVs.  I suspect that some =
expensive=20
  vertical applications (e.g. CAD) might still use dongles or =
equivalent.  I=20
  have a cousin with some macintosh computers used for point of sale =
that were=20
  hit by this.  He wanted to replace his old macs with new ones and only =
after=20
  the new ones arrived did he find the apps didn't move easily.  It =
didn't=20
  help that apple switched from PPC to x86 as well as made major =
incompatible=20
  changes in the OS.  The existing apps he had wouldn't run on the new=20
  computer in any way.  He had to update the app three times to multiple =

  intermediate versions to get the data moved.  I don't remember what he =
had=20
  to get them approved for the new computer.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bbb11b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    You know, tying apps to the hardware could be a huge negative for =
MS. I=20
  mean
    suddenly it's not an issue of being able to keep your old software =
so you
    aren't anchored to a platform or OS anymore. Kinda makes investment =
in
    applications a non-factor when considering a hardware upgrade.

    Rich, someone needs to ask the folks in charge of Microsoft, "is =
this=20
  really
    where you want to go today?".. because this is a case where perhaps =
MS can
    pull it off for the OS (tying it to the hardware) but allowing=20
  applications
    to do this is going to really hurt when it comes to the fickle users =

  looking
    at alternatives like Mac or Linux. Suddenly those users have to buy =
new
    application software no matter what their upgrade choices are..

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45ba5662$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       I would recommend reinstalling any applications and migrating =
your=20
  data,

       If you have applications that are coupled to the old hardware the =
OS is
    not a factor.

    Rich

      "Richard B."  wrote in message
    news:prbkr2l32mltbvmuu55d5i83lfh2h5gqqi{at}4ax.com...
      You have your current PC.  You decide to buy a brand new one, one =
that
      comes with XP preinstalled.

      How do *you* migrate all of your applications, some of which had =
to be
      activated on that old hardware, to the new hardware with minimal =
pain?
      Does this really require a corp key for the OS so you can =
image/move
      everything?

      - Richard

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   I have no
clue what you =
are talking=20
about.  I have seen nothing that suggests Microsoft is doing this
= itself=20
let alone working with ISVs to do this.  If you have, please be = very=20
explicit and provide references to microsoft.com.
 
   ISVs,
though never =
Microsoft that I'm=20
aware, have used dongles for this in the past.  I suspect some =
still do as=20
a market for such devices still exists.  See http://www.keylok.com/.;">http://www.keylok.com/.http://www.keylok.com/">http://www.keylok.com/.;
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45bbf1bf{at}w3.nls.net...I
= was=20
  talking about all software that runs on a PC and how in it's quest for =

  absolute copy protection and the ability to license software only =
on one=20
  machine Microsoft is now working to make it possible for all ISV's =
to tie=20
  their software to the physical computer. Throw the computer away, =
throw=20
  the apps away.It is a concept that will
make it easier for =
users=20
  to run away from
windows.Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote in =
message=20
  news:45bbe753$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
  Microsoft applications that use activation to limit piracy can be =
moved=20
  between systems.  I'm not aware of any Microsoft application =
that is=20
  tied to a specific
computer.   Maybe you are =
thinking of=20
  other ISVs.  I suspect that some expensive vertical =
applications=20
  (e.g. CAD) might still use dongles or equivalent.  I have a =
cousin=20
  with some macintosh computers used for point of sale that were hit =
by=20
  this.  He wanted to replace his old macs with new ones and only =
after=20
  the new ones arrived did he find the apps didn't move =
easily.  It=20
  didn't help that apple switched from PPC to x86 as well as made =
major=20
  incompatible changes in the OS.  The existing apps he had =
wouldn't=20
  run on the new computer in any way.  He had to update the app =
three=20
  times to multiple intermediate versions to get the data =
moved.  I=20
  don't remember what he had to get them approved for the new=20
  computer.Rich 
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45bbb11b$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  You know, tying apps to the hardware could be a huge negative for MS. =
I=20
  mean  suddenly it's not an issue of being
able to keep =
your old=20
  software so you  aren't anchored to a platform or OS anymore. =
Kinda=20
  makes investment in  applications a non-factor when =
considering a=20
  hardware upgrade.  Rich, someone needs to
ask the folks =
in charge=20
  of Microsoft, "is this really  where
you want to go =
today?"..=20
  because this is a case where perhaps MS can  pull it off for =
the OS=20
  (tying it to the hardware) but allowing
applications  to =
do this=20
  is going to really hurt when it comes to the fickle users=20
  looking  at alternatives like Mac or Linux. Suddenly =
those users=20
  have to buy new  application software no matter what their =
upgrade=20
  choices are.. 
Geo.  "Rich" <{at}> wrote
=
in=20
  message news:45ba5662$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
    =20
  I would recommend reinstalling any applications and migrating your=20
 
data,    
If you have applications =
that are=20
  coupled to the old hardware the OS is  not a =
factor. =20
  Rich    "Richard
B." <TDNBW{at}barktopus.com>">mailto:TDNBW{at}barktopus.com">TDNBW{at}barktopus.com>
wrote =
in=20
  message  news:prbkr2l32ml=
tbvmuu55d5i83lfh2h5gqqi{at}4ax.com...   =20
  You have your current PC.  You decide to buy a brand new one, one =

  that    comes with XP=20
  preinstalled.    How do
*you* migrate all of =
your=20
  applications, some of which had to
be    activated =
on that=20
  old hardware, to the new hardware with minimal =
pain?   =20
  Does this really require a corp key for the OS so you can=20
  image/move   
everything?    =
-=20
  Richard

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