From: "Rich" 

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   Every time I hear all about (digital music players, DVD players, flat =
panel TVs, HDTVs, etc) the numbers do nothing but go up.

   Hmm.  Maybe they are.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45be932f{at}w3.nls.net...
  Every time I hear about how much so and so is loosing due to pirating, =
the=20
  numbers do nothing but go up. I have never heard anyone claiming that =
the=20
  dollar losses due to piracy have been reduced. In the early 1990's =
they=20
  claimed a billion dollars a year lost to piracy, then it was 4bn then =
10bn=20
  now we are up to $50bn per year world wide. I mean come on.. Oh and =
don't go=20
  and quote any bullshit percentage numbers, I'm counting dollars here.

  And since these numbers cover all the software in the world, well then =
it=20
  only makes sense that they also cover all the copy protection in the =
world=20
  doesn't it?

  Anyone here can tell you about the spams hocking office, it's nothing =
new.

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45be167e{at}w3.nls.net...
     One the basis of one offer you make this claim?  Also, from where =
did you=20
  pull the nonsense "all the copyprotection in the world"?

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bdd6ed$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    I just got a spam offering me office 2007 for $70, you want to =
explain to=20
  me
    how all the copyprotection in the world PLUS the best spam filters=20
  available
    has failed to even make a dent in this?

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bd2a21$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       Piracy was an issue with the VCR.  Pirates set up banks of =
recorders to
    make pirate copies.  It was time consuming and had real costs both =
in time
    and in physical media.  CDs and DVDs have the same but costs are =
much=20
  lower.
    Sure there is money to be made but that doesn't excuse piracy.  The =
issue=20
  is
    that the balance between the cost of real product and the cost or =
pirated
    copies has shifted dramatically.  Pirated copies now have a cost =
that is
    effectively zero.

       If is not your place to set the price for someone else's work.  =
If you
    don't like the price don't buy it.  If you steal it you are a crook =
and
    should come clean.  If you ever create something of your own, and in =
years
    of discussing this you have never hinted that you are likely ever to =
do=20
  so,
    you can set your own price.

    Rich

      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bd2790$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      This is the same argument that they used against the VCR, it =
allows=20
  anyone
      to pirate stuff soooo easily... and yet it enabled the movie =
industries=20
  to
      make more money than they ever dreamed possible.

      The internet is no different.

      You need to understand something, people are basically honest =
folks who
    pay
      for what they want. All you need to do is figure out what they =
want and
    make
      it available at a price point that they find acceptable. The =
internet is=20
  a
      wet dream for this if the copyright nuts don't fuck it up with =
their=20
  same
      old nonsense.

      Geo.

      "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bd239b{at}w3.nls.net...
         Stronger protections are due to one thing, technological =
advances=20
  that
      make piracy easier with increases in connection speeds being a =
major one
    if
      not the major one.  10 years ago people didn't steal movies over =
the
      internet like they do today because it wasn't practical.  20 years =
ago=20
  you
      had to distribute physical media which took significant time to=20
  duplicate.

         I don't see copy protection restrictions becoming any more=20
  restrictive.
      They seem focused on one thing, don't allow unlicenced copying.

         It's very interesting that this seems to affect your life so =
much.  I
      could see this if you are one of the folks active in pirating =
software=20
  and
      content.  I can't think of a single example where any such =
restrictions
    have
      affected me but I'm not a pirate.

      Rich
        "Geo."  wrote in message=20
  news:45bced48$1{at}w3.nls.net...


        The whole thing is being motivated by the desire of the software =
and
      content
        industries to have more and more restrictive options for copy=20
  protection
      and
        licensing use.

        Geo.

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   Every
time I hear all =
about (digital=20
music players, DVD players, flat panel TVs, HDTVs, etc) the numbers do = nothing=20
but go up.
 
  
Hmm.  Maybe they=20
are.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45be932f{at}w3.nls.net...Ev=
ery=20
  time I hear about how much so and so is loosing due to pirating, the=20
  numbers do nothing but go up. I have never heard anyone claiming =
that the=20
  dollar losses due to piracy have been reduced. In the early 1990's =
they=20
  claimed a billion dollars a year lost to piracy, then it was 4bn =
then 10bn=20
  now we are up to $50bn per year world wide. I mean come on.. Oh =
and don't=20
  go and quote any bullshit percentage numbers, I'm counting dollars =

  here.And since these numbers cover all the software in the =
world, well=20
  then it only makes sense that they also cover all the copy =
protection in=20
  the world doesn't it?Anyone here can tell
you about the =
spams=20
  hocking office, it's nothing
new.Geo."Rich"
<{at}> =
wrote in=20
  message news:45be167e{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
  One the basis of one offer you make this claim?  Also, from where =
did you=20
  pull the nonsense "all the copyprotection in the=20
  world"?Rich 
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45bdd6ed$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  I just got a spam offering me office 2007 for $70, you want to explain =
to=20
  me  how all the copyprotection in the world
PLUS the best =
spam=20
  filters available  has failed to even make a
dent in=20
  this?  Geo. 
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in =
message news:45bd2a21$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
    =20
  Piracy was an issue with the VCR.  Pirates set up banks of =
recorders=20
  to  make pirate copies.  It was time
consuming and had =
real=20
  costs both in time  and in physical media. 
CDs and DVDs =
have=20
  the same but costs are much lower.  Sure
there is money =
to be=20
  made but that doesn't excuse piracy.  The issue
is  =
that the=20
  balance between the cost of real product and the cost or =
pirated =20
  copies has shifted dramatically.  Pirated copies now have a cost =
that=20
  is  effectively
zero.     If is =
not your=20
  place to set the price for someone else's work.  If
you  =
don't=20
  like the price don't buy it.  If you steal it you are a crook=20
  and  should come clean.  If you ever create
something of =
your=20
  own, and in years  of discussing this you have never hinted =
that you=20
  are likely ever to do so,  you can set your own=20
  price. 
Rich    "Geo."
<georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45bd2790$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  This is the same argument that they used against the VCR, it allows=20
  anyone    to pirate stuff
soooo easily... and =
yet it=20
  enabled the movie industries
to    make more =
money than=20
  they ever dreamed
possible.    The internet is
=
no=20
  different.    You need to
understand something, =
people=20
  are basically honest folks who 
pay    for =
what=20
  they want. All you need to do is figure out what they want =
and =20
  make    it available at a price
point that they =
find=20
  acceptable. The internet is
a    wet dream for =
this if=20
  the copyright nuts don't fuck it up with their =
same   =20
  old nonsense.   
Geo.    =
"Rich"=20
  <{at}> wrote in message news:45bd239b{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;     =20
  Stronger protections are due to one thing, technological advances=20
  that    make piracy easier
with increases in =
connection=20
  speeds being a major one 
if    not the =
major=20
  one.  10 years ago people didn't steal movies over=20
  the    internet like they do today
because it =
wasn't=20
  practical.  20 years ago
you    had to =
distribute=20
  physical media which took significant time to=20
 
duplicate.      
I don't see =
copy=20
  protection restrictions becoming any more=20
  restrictive.    They seem
focused on one thing, =
don't=20
  allow unlicenced
copying.      
=
It's=20
  very interesting that this seems to affect your life so much. =20
  I    could see this if you are one
of the folks =
active in=20
  pirating software and   
content.  I can't =
think=20
  of a single example where any such restrictions =20
  have    affected me but I'm not a=20
  pirate.    =
Rich     =20
  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:45bced48$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
     =20
  The whole thing is being motivated by the desire of the software=20
  and   
content      =
industries=20
  to have more and more restrictive options for copy=20
  protection    =
and     =20
  licensing
use.     =20
Geo.

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