From: "Rich" 

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   One the basis of one offer you make this claim?  Also, from where did =
you pull the nonsense "all the copyprotection in the world"?

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bdd6ed$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  I just got a spam offering me office 2007 for $70, you want to explain =
to me=20
  how all the copyprotection in the world PLUS the best spam filters =
available=20
  has failed to even make a dent in this?

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bd2a21$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     Piracy was an issue with the VCR.  Pirates set up banks of =
recorders to=20
  make pirate copies.  It was time consuming and had real costs both in =
time=20
  and in physical media.  CDs and DVDs have the same but costs are much =
lower.=20
  Sure there is money to be made but that doesn't excuse piracy.  The =
issue is=20
  that the balance between the cost of real product and the cost or =
pirated=20
  copies has shifted dramatically.  Pirated copies now have a cost that =
is=20
  effectively zero.

     If is not your place to set the price for someone else's work.  If =
you=20
  don't like the price don't buy it.  If you steal it you are a crook =
and=20
  should come clean.  If you ever create something of your own, and in =
years=20
  of discussing this you have never hinted that you are likely ever to =
do so,=20
  you can set your own price.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bd2790$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    This is the same argument that they used against the VCR, it allows =
anyone
    to pirate stuff soooo easily... and yet it enabled the movie =
industries to
    make more money than they ever dreamed possible.

    The internet is no different.

    You need to understand something, people are basically honest folks =
who=20
  pay
    for what they want. All you need to do is figure out what they want =
and=20
  make
    it available at a price point that they find acceptable. The =
internet is a
    wet dream for this if the copyright nuts don't fuck it up with their =
same
    old nonsense.

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bd239b{at}w3.nls.net...
       Stronger protections are due to one thing, technological advances =
that
    make piracy easier with increases in connection speeds being a major =
one=20
  if
    not the major one.  10 years ago people didn't steal movies over the
    internet like they do today because it wasn't practical.  20 years =
ago you
    had to distribute physical media which took significant time to =
duplicate.

       I don't see copy protection restrictions becoming any more =
restrictive.
    They seem focused on one thing, don't allow unlicenced copying.

       It's very interesting that this seems to affect your life so =
much.  I
    could see this if you are one of the folks active in pirating =
software and
    content.  I can't think of a single example where any such =
restrictions=20
  have
    affected me but I'm not a pirate.

    Rich
      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bced48$1{at}w3.nls.net...


      The whole thing is being motivated by the desire of the software =
and
    content
      industries to have more and more restrictive options for copy =
protection
    and
      licensing use.

      Geo.

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   One the
basis of one offer =
you make=20
this claim?  Also, from where did you pull the nonsense "all
the=20 copyprotection in the world"?
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45bdd6ed$1{at}w3.nls.net...I=20
  just got a spam offering me office 2007 for $70, you want to explain =
to me=20
  how all the copyprotection in the world PLUS the best spam filters =

  available has failed to even make a dent in=20
  this?Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:45bd2a21$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
  Piracy was an issue with the VCR.  Pirates set up banks of =
recorders to=20
  make pirate copies.  It was time consuming and had real costs =
both in=20
  time and in physical media.  CDs and DVDs have the same but =
costs are=20
  much lower. Sure there is money to be made but that doesn't excuse =

  piracy.  The issue is that the balance between the cost of =
real=20
  product and the cost or pirated copies has shifted =
dramatically. =20
  Pirated copies now have a cost that is effectively=20
  zero.   If is not your place to set
the price for =
someone=20
  else's work.  If you don't like the price don't buy
it.  =
If you=20
  steal it you are a crook and should come clean.  If you ever =
create=20
  something of your own, and in years of discussing this you have =
never=20
  hinted that you are likely ever to do so, you can set your own=20
  price.Rich 
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45bd2790$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  This is the same argument that they used against the VCR, it allows=20
  anyone  to pirate stuff soooo easily... and yet it enabled =
the movie=20
  industries to  make more money than they ever dreamed=20
  possible.  The internet is no
different.  =
You need=20
  to understand something, people are basically honest folks who=20
  pay  for what they want. All you need to do
is figure out =
what=20
  they want and make  it available at a price
point that =
they find=20
  acceptable. The internet is a  wet dream for this if the =
copyright=20
  nuts don't fuck it up with their same  old =
nonsense. =20
  Geo.  "Rich" <{at}>
wrote in message news:45bd239b{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;   =20
  Stronger protections are due to one thing, technological advances=20
  that  make piracy easier with increases in connection speeds =
being a=20
  major one if  not the major one. 
10 years ago =
people didn't=20
  steal movies over the  internet like they do today because it =
wasn't=20
  practical.  20 years ago you  had to
distribute physical =
media=20
  which took significant time to =
duplicate.     I=20
  don't see copy protection restrictions becoming any more=20
  restrictive.  They seem focused on one thing, don't allow =
unlicenced=20
  copying.     It's
very interesting that =
this seems=20
  to affect your life so much.  I  could see
this if you =
are one=20
  of the folks active in pirating software and 
content.  =
I can't=20
  think of a single example where any such restrictions =
have =20
  affected me but I'm not a pirate.  =
Rich   =20
  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:45bced48$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  The whole thing is being motivated by the desire of the software =
and =20
  content    industries to have more and more =
restrictive=20
  options for copy protection 
and    =
licensing=20
  use.   
Geo.

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