From: "Geo." 

mrd

Geo.

"Rich"  wrote in message news:45b568be{at}w3.nls.net...
   Why don't you just admit you are grasping at straws with this silly
nonsense?

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45b55923$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Simple, it is someone else using your computer for their purposes. In the
  spambot case it's a spammer using your computer to send his spam. In the
  disk serial number being used for validation it's an author using your
  computer to enforce his copyright.

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b5054a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     Now having a disk serial number allows an external party to gain
control
  over your computer in the same way that a spambot has.  Can you explain
the
  scenario by which this happens in detail?  This would be surprising and a
  security issue.  I think you are bullshitting but would be very interested
  in hearing how this happens.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45b4a052{at}w3.nls.net...
    Someone outside gaining some control over your servers is a security
  issue,
    it's no different than having a spambot on your machine. Whether that
    control is a remote control spambot or just the ability to make it so
you
    can't switch hard drives and restore from a backup, it's still control
  that
    has been taken from you.

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b43fcf{at}w3.nls.net...
       Security, no.  It's wouldn't be.

    Rich

      "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45b42a7f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      If for example the DOJ had argued for the ability to shut down MS
  internal
      systems as a way to force compliance with the consent decree you would
  not
      expect the folks at MS to view that as a security issue?

      That's exactly how some of us view activation.

      Geo.

      "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b408e5$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         Still not security.  Do you claim that everything you would wish
were
      otherwise is a security issue?

      Rich

        "Geo."  wrote in message
  news:45b3b438$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        It's not the backup program that will break, it's the software you
  have
        backed up that is keyed to the old now dead hard drive that's going
to
        break. Same for Raid, the only thing that's going to break is the
        application that finds the drive serial number has now changed.

        Are you playing stupid? I know you understand how serial number
  checking
        works.

        Geo.

        "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b2f5c9$1{at}w3.nls.net...
           Still not security.

           If your backup program really broke when restoring to a different
        physical drive I would suggest getting a new one.  I don't see how
  this
        applies to RAID but if you have a RAID implementation that doesn't
  allow
        drives to be replaced I would reconsider that too.  If these exist I
    would
        consider both to be reliability issues.  Security doesn't seem
  affected
    at
        all.

        Rich

          "Geo."  wrote in message
    news:45b2e02e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          It has nothing to do with security? From who's point of view? I
  happen
      to
          think that vendors locking an install to a specific hard drive
      (especially
          if it is done stealth with no notification) and thus blowing any
  tape
        backup
          capabilities or possibly Raid implementations is a direct threat
and
    is
          certainly something I would consider a corporate security concern.

          Any time a vendor gains more control over a corporation, that
      corporation
          should consider it a security concern.

          Geo.

          "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b2a2c6{at}w3.nls.net...
             That has nothing to do with security.  mike made a claim about
        security.
          He failed to respond I suspect because he has nothing.  If you
have
          something, please speak up.

          Rich

            "Geo."  wrote in message
    news:45b2990c{at}w3.nls.net...
            How about keeping vendors from locking an install to a specific
  hard
          drive?

            Geo. (I know I'd sleep better)

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