From: "Rich" 

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   I removed too much.  You're quote isn't relevant.  The one that is =
that triggered the discussion is

    You know, tying apps to the hardware could be a huge negative for =
MS. I=20
  mean
    suddenly it's not an issue of being able to keep your old software =
so you
    aren't anchored to a platform or OS anymore. Kinda makes investment =
in
    applications a non-factor when considering a hardware upgrade.

It seems you are trying to change the discussion from this to the =
independent topic of licensing which for Microsoft and other vendors =
often limits the number of computers on which the software may be =
simultaneously installed.  In the case of Office System 2007 that may be =
two for a normal copy.  I checked my Outlook license which contains

  2.  INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.  Before you use the software under a =
license, you must assign that license to one device.  That device is the =
"licensed device."  A hardware partition or blade is considered
to be a = separate device. =20
  a. Licensed Device.  You may install and use one copy of the software =
on the licensed device.
  b. Portable Device.  You may install another copy on a portable device =
for use by the single primary user of the licensed device.

I expect volume and other licenses have other limits.  None of this is =
locking applications to hardware.  You are free to move the software =
among computers as the license allows.

So again, if you have some actual instances of locking by Microsoft and =
can support your claims that Microsoft is helping ISVs to lock their =
applications, please speak up.  Otherwise, stop making up crap and using =
it to try to support your bogus claims.

Rich


  "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bccedd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Ok first off lets quote back the relevant statement, you keep accusing =

  others of selective editing but I notice you cut off my statement and =
you=20
  included your misleading statement that suggests I said anything about =

  "locks that application to a machine". I didn't say that you did. I =
said

  "I was talking about all software that runs on a PC and how in it's =
quest=20
  for
  absolute copy protection and the ability to license software only on =
one
  machine Microsoft is now working to make it possible for all ISV's to =
tie
  their software to the physical computer. Throw the computer away, =
throw the
  apps away."

  Get it straight.

  From the office 2007 privacy statement

  "Activation is aimed at reducing software piracy as well as helping to =

  ensure that Microsoft customers are receiving the software quality =
that they=20
  expect. Activation means that a specific Product Key becomes =
associated with=20
  the hardware it is installed on. "

  and

  "The Microsoft Software License Terms for the 2007 Office release =
state that=20
  the number of times your Product Key can be used for activation. Once =
you=20
  have used the Product Key for the specified number of times on the =
same or=20
  different computers, that Product Key can no longer be used for =
activation=20
  on other computers"

  Go for it Rich, tell me how you weren't talking about this but about=20
  something with the word "lock" in it.

  Geo.


  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bc1e78$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     Neither that nor any part of application activation locks that=20
  application to a machine.  Keep spinning if this is the only point you =
are=20
  trying and faiing to make.  I must note that you provided no =
references at=20
  all let alone anything else to try to support your bogus claims.

     Haven't you ever wondered why you repeatedly make up facts then try =
to=20
  use those facts to support beliefs you wish were true?  Think how much =
more=20
  credibility you would have if you started with real facts, ones that =
can be=20
  supported, and then formed opinions based on those facts.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bc1b5b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    And yet you jumped right into the drive serial number thread. How =
Bizarre.

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bc1971$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       I have no clue what you are talking about.  I have seen nothing =
that
    suggests Microsoft is doing this itself let alone working with ISVs =
to do
    this.  If you have, please be very explicit and provide references =
to
    microsoft.com.

       ISVs, though never Microsoft that I'm aware, have used dongles =
for this
    in the past.  I suspect some still do as a market for such devices =
still
    exists.  See http://www.keylok.com/.

    Rich

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   I removed
too much.  =
You're quote=20
isn't relevant.  The one that is that triggered the discussion=20
is
 

    You know, tying apps to the hardware could be a huge =
negative=20
  for MS. I mean  suddenly it's not an issue
of being able =
to keep=20
  your old software so you  aren't anchored to a platform or OS =

  anymore. Kinda makes investment in  applications a non-factor =
when=20
  considering a hardware
upgrade.
It seems you are trying to change the =
discussion=20
from this to the independent topic of licensing which for Microsoft and = other=20
vendors often limits the number of computers on which the software may = be=20
simultaneously installed.  In the case of Office System 2007 that
= may be=20
two for a normal copy.  I checked my Outlook license which=20
contains
 

  2. =
 INSTALLATION AND USE=20
  RIGHTS.  Before you use the software under a license, you must =
assign=20
  that license to one device.  That device is the =93licensed =
device.=94 =20
  A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate =
device. =20
  a. Licensed Device.  You may install and use
one =
copy of=20
  the software on the licensed device.b. Portable
Device.  =
You may=20
  install another copy on a portable device for use by
the single =
primary=20
  user of the licensed
device.
I expect volume and other
licenses have =
other=20
limits.  None of this is locking applications to
hardware.  = You are=20
free to move the software among computers as the license =
allows.
 
So again, if you have some actual =
instances of=20
locking by Microsoft and can support your claims that Microsoft is = helping ISVs=20
to lock their applications, please speak up.  Otherwise, stop = making up=20
crap and using it to try to support your bogus claims.
 
Rich
 
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45bccedd$1{at}w3.nls.net...Ok=20
  first off lets quote back the relevant statement, you keep accusing =
others=20
  of selective editing but I notice you cut off my statement and you=20
  included your misleading statement that suggests I said anything =
about=20
  "locks that application to a machine". I didn't say
that you did. =
I=20
  said"I was talking about all software that runs
on a PC and =
how in=20
  it's quest forabsolute copy protection and the ability to =
license=20
  software only on onemachine Microsoft is now working to make it =
possible=20
  for all ISV's to tietheir software to the physical computer. Throw =
the=20
  computer away, throw theapps away."Get it =
straight.From=20
  the office 2007 privacy statement"Activation is aimed at =
reducing=20
  software piracy as well as helping to ensure that Microsoft =
customers are=20
  receiving the software quality that they expect. Activation means =
that a=20
  specific Product Key becomes associated with the hardware it is =
installed=20
  on. "and"The Microsoft
Software License Terms for the =
2007=20
  Office release state that the number of times your Product Key can =
be used=20
  for activation. Once you have used the Product Key for the =
specified=20
  number of times on the same or different computers, that Product =
Key can=20
  no longer be used for activation on other
computers"Go for =
it=20
  Rich, tell me how you weren't talking about this but about =
something with=20
  the word "lock" in
it.Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote =
in=20
  message news:45bc1e78$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
  Neither that nor any part of application activation locks that =
application=20
  to a machine.  Keep spinning if this is the only point you are =
trying=20
  and faiing to make.  I must note that you provided no references =
at=20
  all let alone anything else to try to support your bogus=20
  claims.   Haven't you ever wondered why you =
repeatedly make=20
  up facts then try to use those facts to support beliefs you wish =
were=20
  true?  Think how much more credibility you would have if you =
started=20
  with real facts, ones that can be supported, and then formed =
opinions=20
  based on those
facts.Rich 
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45bc1b5b$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  And yet you jumped right into the drive serial number thread. How=20
  Bizarre.  Geo. 
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in =
message news:45bc1971$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
    =20
  I have no clue what you are talking about.  I have seen nothing=20
  that  suggests Microsoft is doing this itself let alone =
working with=20
  ISVs to do  this.  If you have, please be
very explicit =
and=20
  provide references to  =
microsoft.com.    =20
  ISVs, though never Microsoft that I'm aware, have used dongles for=20
  this  in the past.  I suspect some still do
as a market =
for such=20
  devices still  exists.  See http://www.keylok.com/. " target="new">http://www.keylok.com/. =">http://www.keylok.com/">http://www.keylok.com/. =
=20
  Rich

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