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to: TIM DILL
from: BOB PERLITZ
date: 1997-02-03 16:29:00
subject: What`s Wrong with AA?

TD> I support AA but not GSO nor the General Service Committee that
TD> wasted 7.2 million dollars of the 7th tradition without
TD> consulting the members...
TD> I support the local groups, I speak at meetings, I make Coffee
TD> at my Monday night step meeting...
TD> But I find that the Literature must change else the Great Program
TD> which got me sober will die...
TD> I never thought that once this would be anyone's reaction to this...
TD> I am sober/clean by the Goddess' power over 7 years now but
TD> it's time I seriously looked at the wording and the way
TD> the Books are written.
Congratulations on 7 years of sobriety.  Surely you are a miracle of AA.
I must say that I have never met (in person) anyone in AA sober over 7
years that did not feel that the program was a miracle for them.  I have
never met one who has felt that the program that accomplished that
miracle needs a major overhaul.  That is something unique I have found
in this forum.
TD> There are 22 NEGATIVE references to the ego in the AA 12&12's 4th step
TD> alone.. I have not even begun to count the NEGATIVE ideas throughout
TD> the whole book. With this in mind, I dare say that with this NEGATIVE
TD> reference to us as human beings and one's negative attitude when one
TD> "Hits bottom" and see's the way (and I dare say the only way because
TD> AA won't publish any other) charts the course to recovery...
TD> one could think that they are in CATHOLIC school with all the
TD> attending sin and worthlessness and guilt associated with just
TD> being human and then see this is JUST a spiritual program?
I will repeat again, this program has saved the lives of hundreds of
thousands of addicts who 70 years ago would have no alternative to turn
to.  I can't agree it is a failure.
TD> Therefore just for the newcomer we need to REVISE the 1939 Texts
TD> and the 1947 Texts to reflect the CURRENT membership...
TD> There have been 5 revised copies of the NA Blue books out since I
TD> got clean. The NA 12 & 12 has been written in 1990 and published in
TD> 1993 reflecting the learning curve of dealing with the "dregs of
TD> humanity" it reflects a gentler way of dealing with the ones hurt
TD> by AA's out moded way of TALKING to the sufferer....
It seems that your obsession is with changing the Big Book (heaven
forbid!) and the 12&12.  I'm curious to know, how do you feel about the
12 steps themselves?  I'm not familiar with NA but don't they use the
same basic 12 steps as AA?  If they do, it seems to work for them as
well.
Have a happy 24.
Bob
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