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   Nice spin.  Maybe you should use cars as an example again and how the =
car manufactures do little so support a third party after market.  Which =
do you think is more customer oriented now?

Rich

  "Geo"  wrote in message
news:428aab52{at}w3.nls.net...
  Perhaps I'm just customer oriented and remember the days when MS was =
too..

  Geo.
    "Rich"  wrote in message news:428a930f{at}w3.nls.net...
       I didn't realize the .NET Framework was a car.  Do you want to =
cover every type of object?

    Rich

      "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:428a7028{at}w3.nls.net...
      You know Rich, when you buy a new car the first thing you don't =
have to do is go lookup to see if there were any recalls, all the recall =
work has already been done.

      Geo.
        "Rich"  wrote in message news:428a304e{at}w3.nls.net...
           The initial framework install was optional.  The updates were =
classified critical and would be automatic unless you disabled automatic =
updates and notifications.

        Rich

          "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:428959c0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          I wasn't even addressing the issue of WHY I had to install it, =
just the issues of installing an exploitable version right from =
windowsupdate and getting no warning that it was making me exploitable =
and that I should go back and run a second check and then when that was =
done no warning that I should go back and run a windows update scan for = a
THIRD TIME.

          Why can't they just patch the stupid .NET framework =
distribution so it's current when you install it? Is there some reason =
for the repeat trips to windows update? (should I create my own =
slipstream install Rich?)

          Geo.


            "Rich"  wrote in message news:42894c72{at}w3.nls.net...
               If you don't have applications that use the .NET =
Framework then don't install it.  That's what I suggest to people.  I =
make the same suggestion regarding Java.  Sun's Java download is not = just
unnecessary if you don't have an application to run.  It is = unfriendly
enough to configure itself to always run.

            Rich

              "Geo"  wrote in message =
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              "Richard B."  wrote in message
              news:hn3i81h4om7tr8ut73datmb4babuodlui3{at}4ax.com...

              > I've had other software require it to be installed, some =
engineering
              > software (Haested) did.

              I've so far avoided anything that required it, I don't see =
why I should have
              to have a less secure system just to make it easier for a =
programmer to
              write a program. I intend to continue to resist anything =
.NET..

              Geo.


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   Nice
spin.  Maybe you =
should use=20
cars as an example again and how the car manufactures do little so = support a=20
third party after market.  Which do you think is more customer = oriented=20
now?
Rich
 

  "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:428aab52{at}w3.nls.net...
  Perhaps I'm just customer oriented =
and remember=20
  the days when MS was too..
   
  Geo.
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:428a930f{at}w3.nls.net...
       I
didn't realize the =
.NET=20
    Framework was a car.  Do you want to cover every type of=20
    object?
     
    Rich
     
    

      "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20
      wrote in message news:428a7028{at}w3.nls.net...
      You know Rich, when you
buy a new =
car the=20
      first thing you don't have to do is go lookup to see if there were =
any=20
      recalls, all the recall work has already been done.
       
      Geo.
      

        "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:428a304e{at}w3.nls.net...
          
The initial =
framework install=20
        was optional.  The updates were classified critical and =
would be=20
        automatic unless you disabled automatic updates and=20
        notifications.
         
        Rich
         
        

          "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote =
in message=20
          news:428959c0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          I wasn't even addressing the =
issue of WHY=20
          I had to install it, just the issues of installing an =
exploitable=20
          version right from windowsupdate and getting no warning that =
it was=20
          making me exploitable and that I should go back and run a =
second check=20
          and then when that was done no warning that I should go back =
and run a=20
          windows update scan for a THIRD TIME.
           
          Why can't they just
patch the =
stupid .NET=20
          framework distribution so it's current when you install it? Is =
there=20
          some reason for the repeat trips to windows update? (should I =
create=20
          my own slipstream install Rich?)
           
          Geo.
           
           
          

            "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:42894c72{at}w3.nls.net...
               If you don't =
have=20
            applications that use the .NET Framework then don't install=20
            it.  That's what I suggest to people.  I make the =
same=20
            suggestion regarding Java.  Sun's Java download is not =
just=20
            unnecessary if you don't have an application to =
run.  It=20
            is unfriendly enough to configure itself to always=20
            run.
             
            Rich
             
            
              "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
=
wrote in=20
              message news:42891e42$1{at}w3.nls.net..."Richard=20
              B." <TDNBW{at}barktopus.com>=20">mailto:TDNBW{at}barktopus.com">TDNBW{at}barktopus.com>=20
              wrote in messagenews:hn3i81h4om7=
tr8ut73datmb4babuodlui3{at}4ax.com...>=20
              I've had other software require it to be installed, some=20
              engineering> software (Haested)
did.I've so =
far=20
              avoided anything that required it, I don't see why I =
should=20
              haveto have a less secure system just to make it =
easier for a=20
              programmer towrite a program. I intend to continue to =
resist=20
              anything=20
        =
.NET..Geo.

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