* An ongoing debate between Michel Samson and Ben Ritchey rages on ...

 BR>> ...automated File Transfer only.  I am testing C-Kermit 8.0.209
 BR>> (March 2003) under Mandrake Linux as it does so much and I needed
 BR>> a reliable Telnet client.  It even has a Daemon mode (IKSD) that
 BR>> provides a Telnet + Kermit SERVER under Linux.
 MS: >      No doubt `C-Kermit' is very well featured, and bloated as a
 MS: > result: this 'nix version, as you've noticed, is quite
"alive" after

Bloated is relative at 233MHz & up  but yes, the WERMIT
executable tops out
at approx. 3MB, but VERY powerful indeed. Nowadays 1MB is common for a 32-bit
DOS application executable, and even larger under Linux. With UDMA access I/O
is quite robust and uP cycles abundant above 200MHz to say the least.

 MS: > a tiny FreeWare which i evaluated lately that's very light and where i
 MS: > was able to find a quite potent 3rd-party implementation - the 1st

Hmmm...maybe, but it would have to be cloned/identical operationally (lite is
fine but the lite commands subset would need to work identical as the C-Kermit
counterparts).

 MS: > a late post, it's from Wayne Warthen (http://kermit.wwarthen.com);

I have it already, but have not installed or tested. Should work nice for Wins
3.1 which I use for quick jobs (grabbing/uploading to/from Internet sites)
since it's a 16-bit app.

 MS: >      `ZMoDem' code from an outside source was added to `K95' so, even

I have ZModem myself, licensed directly from Omen Tech, which has allowed me to
implement GSZ as an external protocol here (works as good as DSZ but more info
to monitor).

 MS: > `Linux' but, if i were to need an ~FTP~ client for DownLoads only,
 MS: > `Lynx' would be a 1st option since it has that sort of support built

I used Lynx for quite some time until I discovered the Links browser, which
handles Tables & Frames quite nicely in Text mode, so I have both now .
I do still use Lynx for Text browsing under DOS occasionally.

 MS: >      In the context of a multiple OS BBS system i guess `C-Kermit'
 MS: > might be more suitable though, especially when one already trusts
 MS: > `Linux'.  :)

My thinking exactly. One protocol under all OS's. My Editor (The Hessling
Editor, THE, a super IBM XEdit clone) also works under every platform I have
here, though I regress to PC-Write v4.16 on occasion .

 BR>> Actually, my BBS software only allowed Text mode transfers as it
 BR>> was mainly for messaging, not files.
 MS: >      Oh?  What about a .QWK door, your people use to post On-Line

Correct, but at 300 Baud (1200 if you were a rich kid) it made little
difference, IMHO. I imagine they were obtaining 2400 BAUD in the Lab,
experimental only, right about this time (nothing available above 1200
commercially).

 MS: > it's a substitute for `ZMoDem' only then Binary mode has a few
 MS: > advantages;  i'd be surprized someone would require text mode,
 MS: > otherwise.  I'm curious...

In order to Upload a Text file directly to an online Message Edit session (as
WC!4 allows) ASCII works well. Saves typing Online time.

 MS: > i'm particularily fond of:  it's a candidate for an `MS-Kermit'
 MS: > installation and i've seen the transfer protocol in action (but it
 MS: > didn't last long)!

My Download Protocol options here include: ASCII, XModem, XModem/CRC,
XModem/1k, YModem, ZModem, Kermit, ZModem/Turbo, ZModem-90, HS-Link and 8k
ZedZap. The last 4 are external protocols, with GSZ handling the two ZModems.

ZModem-90 is default per Forsberg's latest released package with ZModem/Turbo
using his newest enhancements in same.

 MS: > Cooperation between me and a `WC-4' SysOp took place in 2001 and
 MS: > i've been waiting for a re-match since then because testing stopped
 MS: > when difficulties were encountered:
 MS: > If you have your BBS installed on a ~LAN~ (not ~TelNet~) you may be
 MS: > interested.

I'm not on a LAN (just an external analog 56k/V90 Modem with Dial-up access to
Bellsouth as my ISP) though Bellsouth just came out with ADSL-Lite which I'm
looking into at present (256kB D/Ls, 128KB U/Ls, about 20% cheaper than ADSL).

 MS: > `ZMoDem' would probably be more popular but you've wrote there's no
 MS: > Binary transfers happening so even this one might not be very
 MS: > useful.

Chuck's ZModem is my favorite by far, but my lack of binary transfers was way
back in the early 80's when I was testing some custom BBS software I wrote. In
1997 I installed WildCat! and never looked back . I get plenty of Binary
transfers almost daily, exclusively ZModem/Turbo these days.

 BR>> Post the INI or Netmail it and I'll look it over at least.
 MS: >      Well, to be honest, i was about to post the latest findings

I saved it for later browsing. Looks fairly technical so far. :(

 MS: > persons will eventually question the persistent preconceptions around
 MS: > `Kermit' and be critic enough to evaluate it all *BY THEMSELVES*.  I'd

As I am doing, and feel free to call my BBS and test all you want. I can even
provide a custom/new Protocol option with an external client if that's what it
takes, though WC!4 has internal Kermit already (?).

With a Filebase over 5 Gig (21,000+ archives) spread out over 4 Drives, I pride
myself in File management/access capabilities and definitely see the need to
support as many protocols/varients as possible. :)

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