From: wildwings@peconic.net
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling
Organization: I-2000 Inc., Internet Services
Original Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 04:12:00 +0200
Original Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:06:13 GMT
I  think it is wonderful to have you, lady, channeling for the
channeler, I am  channeling for the channeler within you. Now, if I
channel for the channeler in you, I have you as the channeler,
anotherwards, I can channel you as my channel to others , yes, I am a
guru
of the highest order. An ordinary deaf woman
whom I adore, I am Carlos Castaneda who is feeling
very mischievious today, and, thought I would say
hello, to another lovely lady, my lady here is a 
tough old bird of 47, and just got her Eagle Feathers,
in that she just acquired a Guru speaking as
the Voice within, not necessarily quiet, I am 
quite lively, as she suggested, or, maybe, I suggested,
there is a place on the web, to explore, and it
is called Star Fire, also, look up Carlos Castaneda,
and you will find a multitude of delightful
places to check out on the www web.. If you
are truely interested, in exploring this 
phenomina, like, I think you are, go ahead
and write Victoria, at this address, for she
and I are willing to explore this with you.
Ingo Swan at Star Fire is also at your service,too, he is a Psychic of
the higher degree, umm,
V knows him, personally, by the way, and we
are all writers of some degree, and artists
of some degree, also, we do conduct experiments
of psychic phenomina, so, feel free to write, back, 
Victoria is pretty sure I am her Guru, however, and,
I really surprise myself, sometimes, so, handly her
with gentleness, when, you ask her questions, 
I have committed myself to the study of Magic,
and Metaphysics, but, I am also the head of
an expanding World Religion, so, the best bet
is to write this young lady in exploratory fun, and
see where it may lead, she has some papers she
had written on the Lion Prophet, look up
wild wings in usenet, and read them, that 
was first contact with her Guru in an extremely
altered consciousness state, and, read her other
papers, too, because, all she can write about is 
this relationship with her Master.
Thank you very much,
Sincerely and with Love,
Victoria 
with Carlos Castaneda 
as her Master and
Voice in her heart.-
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here is a good question!
Having just read a post from someone seeking help because a 'spirit is
controlling his/her life by foretelling his/her future' depite
requests to stop...
is it possible that channelling / some channelling may in fact be a
form of shizophrenia?  After all, if I were to say openly that I was
able to 'talk' with another entity who gave me messages, couldn't that
seem to suggest that schizophrenia is a possibility, even though in
every other respect I would be a normal logical person?
Just a thought!
how are you,
Now please read my post about Psychic Relationship
of Light Workers, someplace on the www there is
an article by someone about Carlos Casaneda
 and they feel he had scitzophrenia. I feel that
this developement of a very old latent talent
of the human and perhaps even animals and
nature spirits, is facilitated by this Scitzo symtom.
Please read my article, above yours for it 
describes the Master/disciple relationship
full blown in Psychic phenomina with a few
exceptions,
aI feel that you are going up the right path
 and should check out the Names of 
StarFire, and Carlos Castaneda, and Ingo
 Swann on the www via the info search machine.
Yours truly, 
RavIn' Raven
   ~V~
At 05:20 PM 6/15/97 -5, you wrote:
>> I'd like to suggest, as one who sees auras and energies and has
>> observed channellers directly, some thoughts on what I've seen:
>
>
>
>> On Channelling
>> 
>> "According to the research I have done a "channelled" writting can
>> actually be from many different types of sources -- some good but
>> some intent on deception. The criteria to determine this seems to be
>> whether or not the so-called channeller is conscious or unconscious.
>> If the person is conscious (awake with eyes open) then it generally
>> would be good. If the channeller is unconscious (eyes-closed) with
>> some entity using the body then definitely not good (despite
>> apparent good information...)
>
>I would certainly not define channeling in the way that you have 
>here. My description runs more along the lines of:
>
>Channeling: Consciously choosing to allow certain energies to flow 
>freely though your own.
>
>Nothing to do with trance states, but rather a choice and awareness 
>of the ability we have to let certain energies flow freely through 
>us. We are all channels, IMHO. Some are just more aware and 
>discriminating than others.
>
>However, that being said, many people have narrowed the definition so 
>much in recent years that it is coming to mean something altogether 
>different, I suspect. More along the line of mediumship.
>
>> " In each of us there is a higher spiritual self (the Christ
>> consciousness, Divine Angel, etc.) and, accordingly, our spiritual
>> evolution is to come closer and eventually be one with that higher
>> self in full consciousness. The unconscious rendering of our bodies
>> for the use of other entities separates us from this spiritual
>> evolution -- this is the reason that so-called possession is a bad
>> thing. "
>
>There are many who agree with you here. I'm not one of them. I think 
>there is a big difference between possession and channeling different 
>intelligences. In channeling, a certain energy is *invited* to enter 
>the channel's energy field. In possession, it's unwelcome.
>
>> "Any true spiritual being, living on spiritual planes, would
>> communicate with us through our spiritual self in full
>> consciousness. The use of someone's unconscious body by another
>> entity is always being done on some lower level and thus (although
>> those involved may believe that they are doing the right thing)
>> there is no access by the person to spiritual information.
>
>Not so. Although I agree it is the birthright of each and every 
>person to access higher wisdom, (to hear and feel the presence of 
>their Angels and Spirit Guides) I don't believe that you could 
>truthfully state that if the material was presented in a deep trance, 
>then it was suspect, or being transmitted by a lower entity. Many 
>fine and talented channels started from a light meditative state and 
>as their work progessed, developed a quicker connection that 
>often involved a deeper trance state. One fine example was Jane 
>Roberts. And along with Cayce, I would say she was one of the finest 
>channels going.
>
> Also,
>> unconscious body possession sets up a very unhealthy chemical
>> vibration in the brain cells which usually leads to some form of
>> debility. "
>
>There are people who believe that Jane's debilitating illness and
>death were caused by channeling in a deep trance state, too. But I
>have seen no sign of that being the case at all. There are too many
>fine channels who do deep trance work who are healthy and get
>terrific, high and loving information, for me to believe that for a 
>second. At the same time, I am encountering far too many people who 
>fear channeling themselves and who are only too happy to perpetuate 
>that myth.
>
>This is important to me. I channel for a living. And I prefer to 
>see those interested in channeling to be better informed than that. 
>Then they are freer to make more informed choices as to whether or 
>not to pursue the subject further.
>
>> "Higher psychism is the faculties of the higher self (Soul and the
>> Monad), and lower psychism is the faculties of the personality
>> (physical, emotional and mental senses). These lower faculties can
>> be used for good or bad. When one is pure, of good character and
>> pursuing a path of meditation and service then the higher faculties
>> become available and control the lower one's for use in good.
>> Dangers arise when the lower (which most animals have to some
>> degree) are focussed on without the requisite purity and good values
>> -- and with the right purity and values all faculties unfold
>> naturally if and as needed for the good work. Being psychic or not
>> in the lower sense says nothing about a person's spirituality and
>> advanced souls may or may not use these faculties during an
>> incarnation."
>
>I believe we live in a sea of different energies. All kinds of them. 
>And we draw to us, the energies that we most need for our development 
>at the time, whether they be of a consciously spiritual nature or 
>not. 
>
>I also believe that we are *all* psychic. We have been taught to
>focus on our usual 5 senses and not any of the others that are well
>within our abilities to access. Take the recent thread of seeing
>auras for example. This is a psychic ability. And I don't think that 
>it should be discouraged in those who see auras but have no current 
>spiritual aspirations.
>
>> "I believe that this issue has arisen today because of the increased
>> etheric resonance of humanity and the recapitulatory prevalence of
>> etheric vision. This in and of itself can be used for good or bad
>> but certainly we can hope that good will come and work for this."
>
>If you have posted this article to serve as a warning, then I
>applaud your efforts. Too many people will willingly give their
>power over to an unscrupulous other person, whether that person is a
>channel or an accountant. I don't believe that anyone should blindly
>follow someone's thoughts and ideas just because they were
>channeled. That's just plain irresponsible. If it feels right, then
>go for it... same as you would if it was your Mom giving you advice.
>
>If you have posted this to serve as a warning that opening to channel 
>can be a dangerous activity. Then it too is a generous thought. 
>Opening to channel can be a rewarding activity but as with any 
>activity that opens your energy field to unknowns, it pays to be well 
>informed and well versed in the tools used to do so.
>
here is another private party from the usenet posting recently;
>
                                  I AM
 Q. ..Who are you?
 A. .."I AM."
 Q. ..Is it my higher self? Is it a voice outside of myself?
 A. .."There is nothing outside of yourself, you are transparent to
the
      whole, everything outside of you is inside of you."
 Q. ..I have guides and entities from the spirit world with whom I am
      familiar. Why won't you tell me who you are?
 A. .."You are a radio transmitting and receiving. This is just
another
      channel of communication, be it A or B it is not the issue, it
is
      another hand or eye that is here to help you.
                                   ***
      For I dwell in every villain, and every bastard, or any other
names
 you have labeled or given to your thoughts, theories and
restrictions.
 Know that I have put them there to grow and develop, for I AM always
 everywhere. When you come in contact with such men, or phenomena,
 remember - I AM there too. I want you to know, I AM everything, for
in
 every soul I dwell, in every atom I exist, everything has a purpose
in
 My plan. I AM your Almighty, Son, Father, Husband, Wife, Child, and
all-
 that-is. My child, do not fear anything. I AM within and without,
always
 guiding you in silence, in admiration, in My infinite Love. My
kingdom
 is yours always, My Love is your torch in the dark. I AM the cool
breeze
 on a hot summer's day, I AM your fire within. TRUST and FAITH is all
I
 ask of you - for all the rest stems from it. Do as I do - for We are
one
 forever. Bless Me every moment of your existence, for I do it all the
 time. Be with Me, for I can be as lonely as you are. I NEED YOU.
                                   ***
      Great preparations are on the way, for you all need to welcome
Us.
 Join forces, be strong, do not let go of each other. The future is
 bright and full of happiness. Reason will get you nowhere. Mount up
for
 there you can breath. Sing a song of praise, for Hallelujah, We are
 coming to be with you. Join together like brothers and sisters, unite
 like one big family, the family of man. Do not disregard the notes We
 are sending you, make contact with Us, for in joined force We can
 overcome. Prepare your souls for the days 
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