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   With any business at the extreme you will get to "because it is good =
for the business".  The difference lies in how you do this and whether
= it works.  I see businesses make choices that are customer unfriendly =
though easier or cheaper for them.  I try to avoid these and question =
their long term success.

   In answer to your false claims that follow consider that on the =
Windows XP Start menu there is a menu item labeled Windows Catalog that =
takes you to a site with almost entirely non-Microsoft products.  In the =
media player category there are 126 items.  See =
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?bcatid=3D285.

Rich

  "Geo"  wrote in message
news:428f2a27{at}w3.nls.net...
  Well ok I see your point but the motivation is not "because its good =
for customers" the motivation is "because its good for MS".
The = motivation is really no different than with car companies. Go ask a =
microsoft rep about software for windows like say a media player and = they
aren't going to tell you about anything but the MS versions and if = you
talk to the people who make that media player they are going to tell = you
MS is no different than the car companies who don't want you buying =
non-OEM parts.

  Geo.
    "Rich"  wrote in message news:428e013c{at}w3.nls.net...
       Yes, because it is good for customers.  Do that and you get more =
customers buying more product.

    Rich

      "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:428db969{at}w3.nls.net...
      Because it is good for customers? More like because it drives =
windows sales (what good is an OS that can only run MS software?)

      If MS was really doing it because it is good for customers, there =
would be a linux version of Office.

      Geo.
        "Rich"  wrote in message news:428d8235{at}w3.nls.net...
           There is an aftermarket but little supported by the =
manufacters.  My car manufacturer only wants me to buy parts they sell =
and service from them.  I can go elsewhere but not with their aid.  In =
contrast Microsoft encourages hardware and software manufactures to =
develop products for Windows even when this is in competition to = products
Microsoft offers.  Why?  Because it is good for the customers.  = It is
easy to build on Windows and with Windows.  Why do you think there = is
such a large market for Windows and products for Windows?

        Rich

          "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:428b1443$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          Oh right, you are stuck running goodyear tires and OEM =
brakepads and there is no such thing as an aftermarket windshield.=20

          My point remains, when I go and download sygate I get the =
current version, when I download AVG I get the current version (perhaps =
not the current definitions but the software is at least the latest =
build), etc. Even if you do find some software where the initial = download
isn't current and requires a patch, it doesn't require that you = patch it
twice just to get up to date.

          Geo.
            "Rich"  wrote in message news:428ab5cb{at}w3.nls.net...
               Nice spin.  Maybe you should use cars as an example again =
and how the car manufactures do little so support a third party after =
market.  Which do you think is more customer oriented now?

            Rich

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   With any
business at the =
extreme you=20
will get to "because it is good for the
business".  The = difference=20
lies in how you do this and whether it works.  I see businesses = make=20
choices that are customer unfriendly though easier or cheaper for =
them.  I=20
try to avoid these and question their long term success.
 
   In answer
to your false =
claims that=20
follow consider that on the Windows XP Start menu there is a menu item = labeled=20
Windows Catalog that takes you to a site with almost entirely = non-Microsoft=20
products.  In the media player category there are 126
items.  = See http=">http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?bcatid=3D285">http=
://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?bcatid=3D285.=

 
Rich
 

  "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:428f2a27{at}w3.nls.net...
  Well ok I see your point but the =
motivation is=20
  not "because its good for customers" the motivation is
"because its =
good for=20
  MS". The motivation is really no different than with car companies. Go =
ask a=20
  microsoft rep about software for windows like say a media player and =
they=20
  aren't going to tell you about anything but the MS versions and if you =
talk to=20
  the people who make that media player they are going to tell you MS is =
no=20
  different than the car companies who don't want you buying non-OEM=20
  parts.
   
  Geo.
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:428e013c{at}w3.nls.net...
       Yes,
because it is =
good for=20
    customers.  Do that and you get more customers buying more=20
    product.
     
    Rich
     
    

      "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20
      wrote in message news:428db969{at}w3.nls.net...
      Because it is good for
customers? =
More like=20
      because it drives windows sales (what good is an OS that can only =
run MS=20
      software?)
       
      If MS was really doing
it because =
it is good=20
      for customers, there would be a linux version of =
Office.
       
      Geo.
      

        "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:428d8235{at}w3.nls.net...
          
There is an =
aftermarket but=20
        little supported by the manufacters.  My car manufacturer =
only=20
        wants me to buy parts they sell and service from them.  I =
can go=20
        elsewhere but not with their aid.  In contrast Microsoft =
encourages=20
        hardware and software manufactures to develop products for =
Windows even=20
        when this is in competition to products Microsoft offers. =20
        Why?  Because it is good for the customers.  It is =
easy to=20
        build on Windows and with Windows.  Why do you think there =
is such=20
        a large market for Windows and products for =
Windows?
         
        Rich
         
        

          "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote =
in message=20
          news:428b1443$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          Oh right, you are stuck =
running goodyear=20
          tires and OEM brakepads and there is no such thing as an =
aftermarket=20
          windshield. 
           
          My point remains, when I go =
and download=20
          sygate I get the current version, when I download AVG I get =
the=20
          current version (perhaps not the current definitions but the =
software=20
          is at least the latest build), etc. Even if you do find some=20
          software where the initial download isn't current =
and=20
          requires a patch, it doesn't require that you patch it twice =
just to=20
          get up to date.
           
          Geo.
          

            "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:428ab5cb{at}w3.nls.net...
               Nice =
spin.  Maybe you=20
            should use cars as an example again and how the car =
manufactures do=20
            little so support a third party after market.  Which do =
you=20
            think is more customer oriented now?
            Rich
            =
 

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