Jim McCulloch  wrote in article
...
> In article , "John M. Wildenthal"
>  wrote:
> 
> > Jim McCulloch wrote:
> > 
> > > In article , "Jerry Peacock"
> > >  wrote:
> 
> > >
> > > I figured it would sound about right to you. Inasmuch as Kleck's
figures
> > > are wrong by a factor of 30, if we take the NCVS statistics as our
guide,
> > > we can assign you the full NRA credulity ranking of 30.  Most of the
> > > readers of tx.guns, at least, will probably score higher than that.
> > 
> > But Jim, the NCVS wasn't designed to properly estimate defensive
firearm use.
> 
> Really? That would be news to the NCVS's statisticians. They need to know
> this. Perhaps you should write and tell them.
> 
> >The NCVS is a useful tool for several things, but
> > it wasn't designed to estimate the number of defensive firearm uses.
> 
> Again, this would be news to the NCVS. 
>  
Have you spoken with them? If they told you this, then they are mistaken. 

This has been covered a half dozen times in tpg. A defensive gun use can
occur after the danger becomes apparent and before a crime is initiated.
The NCVS question tree asks about dgu's after the initiation of a crime
only, not after the danger becomes apparent.