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   DNS can have rules that are more restrictive than UDP or TCP in =
general.

Rich

  "Geo"  wrote in message
news:428b1574$3{at}w3.nls.net...
  Doesn't UDP max out at about 1K packet size? I remember dns responses =
will switch to tcp when the response size exceeds a certain size because =
UDP won't support that size.

  Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:428abf18{at}w3.nls.net...
       I tried one of my own tools.  With a UDP payload size of 1K I can =
get 50% network utilization of a 1GB adapter with 100% CPU utilization.  =
If I increase the payload size to 1025 bytes then I get 4% network =
utilization with around 35% CPU utilization.

    Rich

      "Gregg N"  wrote in message =
news:428a3454{at}w3.nls.net...
      We have an application that sends UDP datagrams over gigabit =
ethernet. It=20
      was not achieving the performance we expected, so we ran some =
tests. When=20
      the packet size is 1024 bytes or less, we can send 40,000 packets =
per=20
      second, or about 312.5 Mbps. Not great, but acceptable. However, =
with packet=20
      sizes greater than 1024 bytes, we could not send more than about =
3700=20
      packets per second, or about 28.9 Mbps (note this is on a 1Gb =
interface!).=20
      The process is not CPU bound, so that is not what is causing the =
limitation.

      We verified this using the iperf tool from this location:

      http://www.noc.ucf.edu/Tools/Iperf/default.htm

      which you can try yourself. Use the command

      iperf -u -l 1024 -c dummytarget -i 1 -b 500m -w 256k

      and see what it shows with -l 1024 and -l 1025. You can substitute =
a smaller=20
      value for -b (bandwidth) on a 100 Mb interface.

      Apparently, this has been encountered by others. For example, see

      =
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.protocols.tcp-ip/browse_frm/thread/=
7ec2673b5471490f/409197bb36320ace?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=
=3DUTF-8&safe=3Doff&rnum=3D1&prev=3D/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D=
%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26selm%3D2003-01-27-01-42.0%2540c=
hch.demon.co.uk#409197bb36320ace

      and

      =
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.winsock.programming/browse_frm/threa=
d/f05890d2b6b71452/8d8873987d71893b?tvc=3D1&q=3Dalanjmcf+1024&hl=3D=
en#8d8873987d71893b

      and

      http://www.chch.demon.co.uk/wintest/wintest.html

      However, I could not find anything about this on the MS web site. =
Does=20
      anyone have any idea what is causing this?

      Thanks.

      Gregg

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   DNS can
have rules that =
are more=20
restrictive than UDP or TCP in general.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:428b1574$3{at}w3.nls.net...
  Doesn't UDP max out at about 1K =
packet size? I=20
  remember dns responses will switch to tcp when the response size =
exceeds a=20
  certain size because UDP won't support that size.
   
  Geo.
   
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:428abf18{at}w3.nls.net...
       I
tried one of my own =
tools. =20
    With a UDP payload size of 1K I can get 50% network utilization of a =
1GB=20
    adapter with 100% CPU utilization.  If I increase the payload =
size to=20
    1025 bytes then I get 4% network utilization with around 35% CPU=20
    utilization.
     
    Rich
     
    
      "Gregg N" <invalid{at}invalid.invalid>=20">mailto:invalid{at}invalid.invalid">invalid{at}invalid.invalid>=20
      wrote in message news:428a3454{at}w3.nls.net...We=
=20
      have an application that sends UDP datagrams over gigabit =
ethernet. It=20
      was not achieving the performance we expected, so we ran some =
tests.=20
      When the packet size is 1024 bytes or less, we can send 40,000 =
packets=20
      per second, or about 312.5 Mbps. Not great, but acceptable. =
However,=20
      with packet sizes greater than 1024 bytes, we could not send =
more than=20
      about 3700 packets per second, or about 28.9 Mbps (note this =
is on a=20
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what is=20
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1024&amp;hl=3Den#8d8873987d71893b">http://groups.google.co.uk/group/a=
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this?Thanks.Gregg

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