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OK, that makes some additional sense.

Thanks,

Gary
  "Gregg N"  wrote in message =
news:429221a8{at}w3.nls.net...
  .NET adds facilities that make programming certain types of =
application easier and help to reduce the occurrence of certain types of =
bugs. However, this comes at a performance and memory usage cost. People =
complain about "bloat", and now you are asking why this wasn't
included = in the base operating system. Think about the state of computer
hardware = several years ago when the Windows APIs were originally
designed. Now = that HW capabilities have made the costs less important,
the facilities = can be added, which they are.

  By "isn't needed" I think Rich meant that its use is optional. You can =
still program using the original APIs, and for some applications that = may
make more sense anyway.

  Gregg
    "Gary Britt"  wrote in message =
news:42921456{at}w3.nls.net...
    So if it does and .net isn't needed then I'm still back to my =
original question why use .Net.

    Gary
      "Rich"  wrote in message news:42920439{at}w3.nls.net...
         They are.  It doesn't.  There are your answers.

         I still disagree that you are trying to understand.  Your =
interest is shallow.   You are focusing on buzz words and demonstrating =
that you don't understand at all.  Look no further than your message = below.

      Rich

        "Gary Britt"  wrote in message =
news:42915777{at}w3.nls.net...
        Well you assumed incorrectly, I was trying to understand.  John =
Beckett was kind enough to provide an answer, which has led me to = another
question (not necessarily for you as you seem to show no signs = of
changing based upon your statements below).

        Why isn't providing security and cleaning up memory stuff and =
garbage collection part of the operating system itself??  Why does the =
operating system need a software box to encapsulate these abilities for =
programs running inside the box?

        Gary=20
          "Rich"  wrote in message news:4290cf43{at}w3.nls.net...
             I'm not attacking you.  At worst I targeted the one post in =
answer to gary's question.  I didn't answer his question because based = on
his other posts I don't believe he really cares and I don't care = enough
to suggest the obvious, visit www.microsoft.com and spend a = minute
looking for an answer.

          Rich

            "Robert Comer"
 wrote in =
message news:42902da0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
            Okay, so then answer his question, rather than atacking me, =
that would be=20
            the most helpful.

            - Bob Comer


            "Rich"  wrote in message news:428f65ce{at}w3.nls.net...
               In this context nothing.  bob's statement is pretty much =
the same as=20
            saying the java vm and class libraries are design for java =
bytecodes.=20
            Meaningless and false.

            Rich

              "Gary Britt"  wrote in message=20
            news:428f5cd4{at}w3.nls.net...
              What does managed code mean?

              Gary

              "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
              news:428f117d{at}w3.nls.net...
              > > What is .NET designed for then??
              >
              > Managed code mostly.
              >
              > - Bob Comer
              >
              >
              > "Gary Britt" 
wrote in message
              > news:428eb478{at}w3.nls.net...
              > >
              > > "Robert Comer"
 wrote in =
message
              > > news:428e9426$1{at}w3.nls.net...
              > >> >   Are you referring to java the language, java the =
class library,
              java
              > > the
              > >> > vm, or something else sun assigns this
brand name?<
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> I don't really count Java (vm) and .NET as =
competitors, they're
              designed
              > > for
              > >> different tasks and both do fairly well what they =
were designed for.
              > >>
              > >> - Bob Comer
              > >
              > >
              > > What is .NET designed for then??
              > >
              > > Gary
              > >
              > >
              >
              >



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OK, that makes some additional sense.
 
Thanks,
 
Gary

  "Gregg N" <invalid{at}invalid.invalid>">mailto:invalid{at}invalid.invalid">invalid{at}invalid.invalid>
= wrote in=20
  message news:429221a8{at}w3.nls.net...
  .NET adds facilities that make
programming certain =
types of=20
  application easier and help to reduce the occurrence of certain types =
of bugs.=20
  However, this comes at a performance and memory usage cost. People =
complain=20
  about "bloat", and now you are asking why this wasn't included in the =
base=20
  operating system. Think about the state of computer hardware several =
years ago=20
  when the Windows APIs were originally designed. Now that HW =
capabilities have=20
  made the costs less important, the facilities can be added, which they =

  are.
   
  By "isn't needed" I think Rich
meant that its use =
is=20
  optional. You can still program using the original APIs, and for some=20
  applications that may make more sense anyway.
   
  Gregg
  

    "Gary Britt" <zotu{at}nospamforme.com>">mailto:zotu{at}nospamforme.com">zotu{at}nospamforme.com>
=
wrote in=20
    message news:42921456{at}w3.nls.net...
    So if it does and .net isn't needed then I'm still back to my =
original=20
    question why use .Net.
     
    Gary
    

      "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:42920439{at}w3.nls.net...
        
They are.  It=20
      doesn't.  There are your answers.
       
         I
still disagree =
that you are=20
      trying to understand.  Your interest is shallow.   =
You are=20
      focusing on buzz words and demonstrating that you don't understand =
at=20
      all.  Look no further than your message
below.
       
      Rich
       
      

        "Gary Britt" <zotu{at}nospamforme.com>">mailto:zotu{at}nospamforme.com">zotu{at}nospamforme.com>
wrote = in=20
        message news:42915777{at}w3.nls.net...
        Well you assumed incorrectly, I was trying to =
understand. =20
        John Beckett was kind enough to provide an answer, which =
has led me=20
        to another question (not necessarily for you as you seem to show =
no=20
        signs of changing based upon your statements below).
         
        Why isn't providing security and cleaning up memory stuff =
and=20
        garbage collection part of the operating system itself??  =
Why does=20
        the operating system need a software box to encapsulate these =
abilities=20
        for programs running inside the box?
         
        Gary 
        

          "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:4290cf43{at}w3.nls.net...
             I'm not =
attacking you. =20
          At worst I targeted the one post in answer to gary's =
question.  I=20
          didn't answer his question because based on his other posts I =
don't=20
          believe he really cares and I don't care enough to suggest the =

          obvious, visit www.microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com">www.microsoft.com and
spend a =

          minute looking for an answer.
           
          Rich
           
          
            "Robert Comer" <bobcomer_removeme{at}mindsp=">mailto:bobcomer_removeme{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer_removeme{at}mindsp=
ring.com>=20
            wrote in message news:42902da0$1{at}w3.nls.net...Okay,=20
            so then answer his question, rather than atacking me, that =
would be=20
            the most helpful.- Bob
Comer"Rich" =
<{at}>=20
            wrote in message news:428f65ce{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
            In this context nothing.  bob's statement is pretty =
much the=20
            same as saying the java vm and class libraries are =
design for=20
            java bytecodes. Meaningless and =
false.Rich =20
            "Gary Britt" <zotu{at}nospamforme.com>=20">mailto:zotu{at}nospamforme.com">zotu{at}nospamforme.com>=20
            wrote in message news:428f5cd4{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
            What does managed code mean?  =
Gary =20
            "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
            wrote in message  news:428f117d{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
            > > What is .NET designed for then??  =
> =20
            > Managed code mostly. 
>  > - =
Bob=20
            Comer  > 
>  > "Gary =
Britt"=20
            <zotu{at}nospamforme.com>=20">mailto:zotu{at}nospamforme.com">zotu{at}nospamforme.com>=20
            wrote in message  > news:428eb478{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
            > >  > >
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
            wrote in message  > > news:428e9426$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
            > >> >   Are you
referring to java the =

            language, java the class library, 
java  =
> >=20
            the  > >> > vm,
or something else sun =
assigns=20
            this brand name?<  >
>>  >=20
            >>  > >>
I don't really count Java =
(vm) and=20
            .NET as competitors, they're 
designed  =
> >=20
            for  > >> different
tasks and both do =
fairly well=20
            what they were designed for.  > =
>>  >=20
            >> - Bob Comer  >
>  >=20
            >  > > What is .NET
designed for =
then?? =20
            > >  > >
Gary  > =
> =20
            > >  > =20
        =
>

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