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   What is java generic?  Do you mean that you don't know or are you =
hand waving?

   Does RPG compiled to jvm bytecodes have the same functionality as the =
native RPG?  There are reasons that the jvm can not do well.  It has =
limited data types and lacks support for constructs not in the java =
language.

Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:428e9426$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >   Are you referring to java the language, java the class library, =
java the=20
  > vm, or something else sun assigns this brand name?<

  Java generic.

  >   java the language is supported by the .NET Framework along with =
C++, C#,=20
  > VB, and a host of >others.

  I know.

  >That sun's java the class library or sun's java the vm isn't well =
suited=20
  >for other languages reflects >poorly on it not the other languages.

  Not really, and actually there's no reason it couldn't as I've seen an =
RPG=20
  compiler that spit out Java vm bytecode -- just nobody sees a need for =

  multiple languages in the Java vm.

  I don't really count Java (vm) and .NET as competitors, they're =
designed for=20
  different tasks and both do fairly well what they were designed for.

  - Bob Comer


  "Rich"  wrote in message news:428e7e0f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     Are you referring to java the language, java the class library, =
java the=20
  vm, or something else sun assigns this brand name?

     java the language is supported by the .NET Framework along with =
C++, C#,=20
  VB, and a host of others.  That sun's java the class library or sun's =
java=20
  the vm isn't well suited for other languages reflects poorly on it not =
the=20
  other languages.

  Rich

    "Robert Comer"  wrote
in message=20
  news:428e48bd{at}w3.nls.net...
    > That's nothing to do with the language and everything to do with =
the
    > environment.

    Agreed, but Java has the environment and C++ doesn't, and doesn't =
lend
    itself to that kind of environment either.

    - Bob Comer


    "Paul Ranson"  wrote in message
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    > That's nothing to do with the language and everything to do with =
the
    > environment. There's nothing intrinsic about Java that means the =
JVM is
    > cross-platform, I might choose to use the JVM and therefore end up =
with
    > Java, but that's a different argument.
    >
    > Paul
    >
    > "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
    > news:428de1e8$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    >> Cross platform.
    >>
    >> - Bob Comer 
    >>
    >> "Paul Ranson"  wrote in message
    >> news:428dcdeb{at}w3.nls.net...
    >>> But C++ can do all that. Managed/unmanaged. GC/non-GC, or both =
in the
    >>> same app.
    >>>
    >>> What is the advantage of Java as a language given there's no =
obvious
    >>> advantage to it as an environment? I suppose a more flexible =
'goto'
    >>> mechanism...
    >>>
    >>> Paul
    >
    >



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   What is java =
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mean that you don't know or are you hand waving?
 
   Does RPG
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jvm can not do well.  It has limited data types and lacks support = for=20
constructs not in the java language.
 
Rich
 

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  count Java (vm) and .NET as competitors, they're designed for =
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the=20
  vm, or something else sun assigns this brand =
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on it=20
  not the other
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  That's nothing to do with the language and everything to do with =
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  > environment.  Agreed, but Java has
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  either.  - Bob
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  >> Cross platform. 
>>  >> - Bob =
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  <I can run java on anything> 
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  >>> But C++ can do all that. Managed/unmanaged.
GC/non-GC, or =
both in=20
  the  >>> same
app.  >>> =20
  >>> What is the advantage of Java as a language
given there's =
no=20
  obvious  >>> advantage to it as
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suppose a=20
  more flexible 'goto'  >>>
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Paul  > =20
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