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.NET adds facilities that make programming certain types of application =
easier and help to reduce the occurrence of certain types of bugs. =
However, this comes at a performance and memory usage cost. People =
complain about "bloat", and now you are asking why this wasn't
included = in the base operating system. Think about the state of computer
hardware = several years ago when the Windows APIs were originally
designed. Now = that HW capabilities have made the costs less important,
the facilities = can be added, which they are.

By "isn't needed" I think Rich meant that its use is optional.
You can = still program using the original APIs, and for some applications
that = may make more sense anyway.

Gregg
  "Gary Britt"  wrote in message =
news:42921456{at}w3.nls.net...
  So if it does and .net isn't needed then I'm still back to my original =
question why use .Net.

  Gary
    "Rich"  wrote in message news:42920439{at}w3.nls.net...
       They are.  It doesn't.  There are your answers.

       I still disagree that you are trying to understand.  Your =
interest is shallow.   You are focusing on buzz words and demonstrating =
that you don't understand at all.  Look no further than your message = below.

    Rich

      "Gary Britt"  wrote in message =
news:42915777{at}w3.nls.net...
      Well you assumed incorrectly, I was trying to understand.  John =
Beckett was kind enough to provide an answer, which has led me to = another
question (not necessarily for you as you seem to show no signs = of
changing based upon your statements below).

      Why isn't providing security and cleaning up memory stuff and =
garbage collection part of the operating system itself??  Why does the =
operating system need a software box to encapsulate these abilities for =
programs running inside the box?

      Gary=20
        "Rich"  wrote in message news:4290cf43{at}w3.nls.net...
           I'm not attacking you.  At worst I targeted the one post in =
answer to gary's question.  I didn't answer his question because based = on
his other posts I don't believe he really cares and I don't care = enough
to suggest the obvious, visit www.microsoft.com and spend a = minute
looking for an answer.

        Rich

          "Robert Comer" 
wrote in =
message news:42902da0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          Okay, so then answer his question, rather than atacking me, =
that would be=20
          the most helpful.

          - Bob Comer


          "Rich"  wrote in message news:428f65ce{at}w3.nls.net...
             In this context nothing.  bob's statement is pretty much =
the same as=20
          saying the java vm and class libraries are design for java =
bytecodes.=20
          Meaningless and false.

          Rich

            "Gary Britt"  wrote in message=20
          news:428f5cd4{at}w3.nls.net...
            What does managed code mean?

            Gary

            "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
            news:428f117d{at}w3.nls.net...
            > > What is .NET designed for then??
            >
            > Managed code mostly.
            >
            > - Bob Comer
            >
            >
            > "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
            > news:428eb478{at}w3.nls.net...
            > >
            > > "Robert Comer"
 wrote in =
message
            > > news:428e9426$1{at}w3.nls.net...
            > >> >   Are you referring to java the language, java the =
class library,
            java
            > > the
            > >> > vm, or something else sun assigns this brand name?<
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> I don't really count Java (vm) and .NET as competitors, =
they're
            designed
            > > for
            > >> different tasks and both do fairly well what they were =
designed for.
            > >>
            > >> - Bob Comer
            > >
            > >
            > > What is .NET designed for then??
            > >
            > > Gary
            > >
            > >
            >
            >



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.NET adds facilities that make programming certain =
types of=20
application easier and help to reduce the occurrence of certain types of = bugs.=20
However, this comes at a performance and memory usage cost. People = complain=20
about "bloat", and now you are asking why this wasn't included in
the = base=20
operating system. Think about the state of computer hardware several = years ago=20
when the Windows APIs were originally designed. Now that HW capabilities = have=20
made the costs less important, the facilities can be added, which they=20
are.
 
By "isn't needed" I think Rich
meant that its use is =
optional.=20
You can still program using the original APIs, and for some applications = that=20
may make more sense anyway.
 
Gregg

  "Gary Britt" <zotu{at}nospamforme.com>">mailto:zotu{at}nospamforme.com">zotu{at}nospamforme.com>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:42921456{at}w3.nls.net...
  So if it does and .net isn't needed then I'm still back to my =
original=20
  question why use .Net.
   
  Gary
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:42920439{at}w3.nls.net...
       They
are.  It =
doesn't. =20
    There are your answers.
     
       I
still disagree that =
you are=20
    trying to understand.  Your interest is shallow.   =
You are=20
    focusing on buzz words and demonstrating that you don't understand =
at=20
    all.  Look no further than your message below.
     
    Rich
     
    

      "Gary Britt" <zotu{at}nospamforme.com>">mailto:zotu{at}nospamforme.com">zotu{at}nospamforme.com>
=
wrote in=20
      message news:42915777{at}w3.nls.net...
      Well you assumed incorrectly, I was trying to =
understand.  John=20
      Beckett was kind enough to provide an answer, which has led =
me to=20
      another question (not necessarily for you as you seem to show no =
signs of=20
      changing based upon your statements below).
       
      Why isn't providing security and cleaning up memory stuff and =
garbage=20
      collection part of the operating system itself??  Why does =
the=20
      operating system need a software box to encapsulate these =
abilities for=20
      programs running inside the box?
       
      Gary 
      

        "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:4290cf43{at}w3.nls.net...
          
I'm not attacking =
you. =20
        At worst I targeted the one post in answer to gary's =
question.  I=20
        didn't answer his question because based on his other posts I =
don't=20
        believe he really cares and I don't care enough to suggest the =
obvious,=20
        visit www.microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com">www.microsoft.com and=20
        spend a minute looking for an answer.
         
        Rich
         
        
          "Robert Comer" <bobcomer_removeme{at}mindsp=">mailto:bobcomer_removeme{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer_removeme{at}mindsp=
ring.com>=20
          wrote in message news:42902da0$1{at}w3.nls.net...Okay,=20
          so then answer his question, rather than atacking me, that =
would be=20
          the most helpful.- Bob
Comer"Rich" =
<{at}>=20
          wrote in message news:428f65ce{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
          In this context nothing.  bob's statement is pretty much =
the same=20
          as saying the java vm and class libraries are design for =
java=20
          bytecodes. Meaningless and =
false.Rich  "Gary=20
          Britt" <zotu{at}nospamforme.com>">mailto:zotu{at}nospamforme.com">zotu{at}nospamforme.com>
wrote=20
          in message news:428f5cd4{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
          What does managed code mean? 
Gary  =
"Robert=20
          Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
          wrote in message  news:428f117d{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
          > > What is .NET designed for then??  =
> =20
          > Managed code mostly. 
>  > - Bob=20
          Comer  > 
>  > "Gary =
Britt" <zotu{at}nospamforme.com>">mailto:zotu{at}nospamforme.com">zotu{at}nospamforme.com>
wrote=20
          in message  > news:428eb478{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
          > >  > >
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
          wrote in message  > > news:428e9426$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
          > >> >   Are you
referring to java the =
language,=20
          java the class library, 
java  > >=20
          the  > >> > vm, or
something else sun =
assigns=20
          this brand name?<  >
>>  >=20
          >>  > >> I
don't really count Java =
(vm) and=20
          .NET as competitors, they're 
designed  > =
>=20
          for  > >> different tasks
and both do fairly =
well=20
          what they were designed for.  >
>>  =
>=20
          >> - Bob Comer  >
>  > =
> =20
          > > What is .NET designed for
then??  >=20
          >  > >
Gary  > >  =
>=20
          >  > =20
    =
>

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