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   Still trying to change the topic.=20

  Yes.  Your examples are Visual Basic.NET and ASP.NET which are =
successors to Visual Basic and ASP.  The .NET is a qualifier.  Both = these
happen to be components of the .NET Framework.  Compare this to = sun's use
of java where it is java this and java that with java being = the first and
foremost part of the name, the opposite of Microsoft's = usage.

   I disagree that .NET is generic in any way and until you changed the =
topic it wasn't even part of the conversation.  On the subject of java =
being a generic term, you failed to answer the question and instead =
stated that it is as generic to you as .NET without answering that =
either.  Are you unable or unwilling to give a clear yes or no answer?

   As for your statement that java "is a branded language/runtime/set of =
specs etc. exactly like .Net is trying to be".  I have to disagree on
= the comparison to .NET.  The .NET Framework is Microsoft's =
implementation an international ECMA/ISO standards plus value-added =
features.  Sun could implement these standards.  They could even call = use
the java brand if they wished and call it something like java 7.  = The key
point remains unchanged and you have not responded which is java = is used
in a way that some folks, as evidenced by this thread, think it = is
generic.

Rich


  "Adam Flinton"  wrote in message =
news:4293725e{at}w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:
  >    Still trying to change the topic.
  > =20

  No not at all .Net is a brand which is applied to many things.

  >    They are not all called java as sun has done.

  Blimey neither is java. No your have "Java Enerprise Edition &
"Java=20
  Desktop System" etc.

  Are you saying that .Net does not feature in their names?

  >  It's not that java is=20
  > a sun brand.  It's that it is used in a way that blurs the meaning.=20

  ROFLMAO Hello Mr Coalmine kettle.

  Gee what does ".Net Connected" mean?

  Does it mean that it must use ASP.Net? VB.Net? That in order to =
connect=20
  to it you must be running ".Net"?


  > For=20
  > an example of this look no further than this thread where it was =
claimed=20
  > that java is a generic term.  It was that claim I disputed.  Since =
you=20
  > are arguing with me should we all believe that you believe java is a =

  > generic term?=20
  >

  It's as generic as .Net. It is a branded language/runtime/set of specs =

  etc. exactly like .Net is trying to be.

  Personally I don't like things like using java in a linux distro name.



  Adam


  > Rich
  > =20
  >=20
  >     "Adam Flinton"      > wrote in message
  >     news:4292ef1e{at}w3.nls.net...
  >     Rich wrote:
  >      >    Nope.  Everything has its own name.  Even so there has =
been
  >     confusion
  >      > so .NET was removed from some names.
  >      >=20
  >=20
  >     Chuckle. My my my my what lovely revisionism. It's like =
airbrushing
  >     trotsky out of the photos.
  >=20
  >     So is VB.Net a web URL?
  >=20
  >     How about ASP.Net?
  >=20
  >     & what about .Net Passport? & Then there is the .Net Framework.
  >=20
  >     If "everything has it's own name" in the above style then gosh =
it must
  >     just be a coincidence that so many MS things have .Net in their =
name &
  >     not that .Net is a brandname which MS applies to many things.
  >=20
  >     & then there is the "look for the .Net connected"
logo  campaign
  >     etc.etc.
  >=20
  >     No sign of branding there.....except possibly across your butt.
  >=20
  >     Or did you opt for the .Net Connected logo tatoo instead?
  >=20
  >=20
  >     Adam
  >=20
  >=20
  >=20
  >=20
  >=20
  >=20
  >      > Rich
  >      >=20
  >      >
  >      >     "Adam"      
  >      >     > wrote in message
  >      >     news:4291a4ac$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >      >     Rich wrote:
  >      >
  >      >      >    java is not a generic term.  it is a brand name sun
  >     applies to
  >      >     mmany
  >      >      > different things.
  >      >      >
  >      >     Just like MS does to .Net.
  >      >
  >      >     Adam
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   Still
trying to change the =

topic. 
 
  Yes.  Your
examples are =
Visual=20
Basic.NET and ASP.NET which are successors to Visual Basic and =
ASP.  The=20
.NET is a qualifier.  Both these happen to be components of the = .NET=20
Framework.  Compare this to sun's use of java where it is java this = and=20
java that with java being the first and foremost part of the name, the = opposite=20
of Microsoft's usage.
 
   I
disagree that .NET is =
generic in any=20
way and until you changed the topic it wasn't even part of the=20
conversation.  On the subject of java being a generic term, you =
failed to=20
answer the question and instead stated that it is as generic to you as = .NET=20
without answering that either.  Are you unable or unwilling to
give = a clear=20
yes or no answer?
 
   As for
your statement that =
java "is a=20
branded language/runtime/set of specs etc. exactly like .Net is trying = to=20
be".  I have to disagree on the comparison to .NET. 
The .NET=20 Framework is Microsoft's implementation an international
ECMA/ISO = standards plus=20
value-added features.  Sun could implement these
standards.  = They=20
could even call use the java brand if they wished and call it something = like=20
java 7.  The key point remains unchanged and you have not
responded = which=20
is java is used in a way that some folks, as evidenced by this thread, = think it=20
is generic.
 
Rich
 
 

  "Adam Flinton" <adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com>">mailto:adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com">adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:4293725e{at}w3.nls.net...Ri=
ch=20
  wrote:>    Still trying to
change the=20
  topic.>  No not at all .Net
is a brand which is =
applied to=20
  many things.>   
They are not all called =
java as sun=20
  has done.Blimey neither is java. No your have
"Java Enerprise =
Edition=20
  & "Java Desktop System"
etc.Are you saying that .Net =
does not=20
  feature in their names?>  It's not
that java is =
> a sun=20
  brand.  It's that it is used in a way that blurs the meaning.=20
  ROFLMAO Hello Mr Coalmine
kettle.Gee what does ".Net=20
  Connected" mean?Does it mean that it must use
ASP.Net? VB.Net? =
That in=20
  order to connect to it you must be running
".Net"?> =
For=20
  > an example of this look no further than this thread where it =
was=20
  claimed > that java is a generic term.  It was
that claim =
I=20
  disputed.  Since you > are arguing with me
should we all =
believe=20
  that you believe java is a > generic term?
>It's =
as=20
  generic as .Net. It is a branded language/runtime/set of specs =
etc.=20
  exactly like .Net is trying to be.Personally I don't like =
things like=20
  using java in a linux distro
name.Adam>
=

  Rich>  >
>     "Adam =
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  Rich wrote:>      =
>   =20
  Nope.  Everything has its own name.  Even so there has=20
  been>    =20
 
confusion>     
> so .NET was =
removed from=20
  some
names.>     
> >=20
  >     Chuckle. My my
my my what lovely =
revisionism.=20
  It's like
airbrushing>    
trotsky out of =
the=20
  photos.>
>     So is VB.Net a
web=20
  URL?>
>     How about =
ASP.Net?>=20
  >     & what
about .Net Passport? & =
Then=20
  there is the .Net Framework.>
>     =
If=20
  "everything has it's own name" in the above style then gosh it=20
  must>     just be a
coincidence that so =
many MS=20
  things have .Net in their name
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not that=20
  .Net is a brandname which MS applies to many things.>=20
  >     & then
there is the "look for the =
.Net=20
  connected" logo 
campaign>    =20
  etc.etc.>
>     No sign of
branding=20
  there.....except possibly across your butt.>=20
  >     Or did you opt
for the .Net Connected =
logo=20
  tatoo instead?> >
>     =
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>     =20
  >     Rich =
wrote:>     =20
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>     =20
  >    java is not a generic
term.  it is a brand =
name=20
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