>         I recall you saying the same thing about a certain "other
 > brand" subwoofer when you first got it, which you then slowly began to
 > tire of.  I'm concerned that you once again say it adds to movies, but
 > not music.  Despite finding that my sub isn't the fastest in the
 > world, it does work well with most music and movies.  I've been
 > keeping track of comments on subs (especially the sunfire) on R.A.H-E
   I have never experienced a sub that matched up so effortlessly to main 
loudspeakers, as do the Legacy offerings. I wouldn't even venture a guess on 
how they would match up with any other speakers. To that end I can honestly 
report that the build quality is the best I have seen. They are extremely 
attractive and lack totally the "industrial" look of many subs. The are the 
same design and build as the Focus, just half height.
   I now have about 100 hours on the subs, and they have loosened up some, so 
I believe I have a better feel for them and can give you a better picture of 
what they are doing in my system. This has been complicated by the fact that 
I 
changed the complete alignment of my listening area and main loudspeakers at 
the sametime I added the subwoofer (give or take a day or two). So some 
sorting out has had to be done as nothing is as it was before.
    The speed and reproduction (with "main" woofers off-line) are excellent. 
Regardless of musical range they lack the boominess often encountered and 
have 
a "musical" sound to them. The crossover is like yours on a 36 db/oct and I 
adjusted the cross to 125 Hz for the test. Regardless of where I crossed 
them, 
them maintained their musicality and resisted boominess. There WAS a 
difference in the 60 Hz and below notes between what I get with the Focus and 
what the sub brought. There seemed just a slight bit more authority with the 
sub at live performance level and a more noticable report at background music 
level listening. In some cases such as for background music, this wouldn't be 
very desirable to me.
   So for matching to the Focus they are a dream. With the Focus, for most 
music (classical, jazz, chamber music, most vocals, etc) they are 
unneccessary. For my 60/70s hard rock and New Age listening they are 
brilliant, accurate and very enjoyable without being overwhelming. For movie 
soundtracks they allow me a flexibility to "overemphasize" the deeper bass 
sound effects so that I might enjoy them more at generally lower overall 
volume levels and still have the feel of the effects. This IS NOT accurate 
reproduction, and probably sounds nuts to golden ear videophiles, etc. But it 
is the audio experience I prefer for my movies, and it could only be 
accomplished with a good quality sub.
   The difference between this sub and the one I originally experimented with 
is that the Legacy seems of much better quality and I do not find myself 
getting fatigued listening to it. The first one which I mentioned to you, 
as well as two that I built, wore me out and after maybe an hour became 
distracting and unpleasant. The subs I auditioned just couldn't seem to make 
the seamless blend with the Focus the way the Legacy did, which surprised me. 
There always seemed to be a hump or drop out that couldn't totally be 
eliminated. 
  It seems that I cannot fully explain the satisfaction with the Legacy sub 
without taking away from the Focus, since the Focus is capable of copious 
amounts of accurate low bass. Despite this and the Focus ratings I have set 
my 
crossover point to 80Hz and it seems very comfortable there. It will require 
the least amount of adjustment there and seems to have the best sound. I have 
about 100 hours on them, so that my change slightly if the speakers continue
"breaking in". Will let you know of any changes.
   I can imagine the Legacy sub matching up to your Carvers, very nicely, by 
what I have observed here. However, the $1295 is a sizable investment, and I 
believe I would check out everything locally first.
Cheers, John
grump@netzone.com
 
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