TR> TR> It probably would land you in jail,
TR> SK> And, as I said, I would still be true to my convictions.
TR> SK> Unjust laws SHOULD be broken.
TR> TR> and you wouldn't be doing anything noble or patriotic, just the
TR> TR> opposite.
TR> SK> In your less than reasonable, and reasoned, opinion.
TR>It would be the opinion of the people and the government of the
TR>people before I was even born.
Some, perhaps even most, but not THE people. That's an absolute, and
there are no absolutes.
TR> I've read the rest of your message,
TR>and it is obvious you don't understand the basic concept, and that
TR>basic concept is a very old one.
I understand it fully.
TR> Every citizen has a legal
TR>obligation to assist law enforcement in the time of an emergency.
I think that it is a moral obligation, sure. But such things should be
left to the individual. To impose threats of punishment is totalitarian.
TR>There is nothing Unconstitutional about this concept.
Of course the Constitution is a "living document". One that has been
perverted. I'm speaking about what _I_ believe...not what you and the
perverters of it believe.
TR> Using your
TR>line of thought, it would be Unconstitutional to draft you for
TR>military duty to protect our country from invading armies.
Well, I don't believe in the draft. Myself, I would rather
not fight along side someone that doesn't wish to fight.
During WW2 people were fighting, and even lying, to get IN the military.
Why? Because there was a just cause.
You surely don't think much of people. I do. I also think that FREE
people are more apt to be responsive to the idea of defending their
freedom than slaves would be. For slaves would only be fighting and
dying to defend their masters.
So, in my mind, drafting people (and the sexist aspect of it only being
men) is a perverted Constitutional form of slavery instead of freedom.
TR> That would be
TR> commandeering your very person and very likely put you in a
TR>position where you might be killed, but that is not Unconstitutional
TR>either.
And the enslavement of blacks was Constitutional. If I were alive in the
days of slavery...guess what? I'd say it was unconstitutional.
The Constitution isn't a very difficult document...the Bill of Rights
isn't either. Actually, they are "self evident". It's pretty damned easy
to see when they are not being followed.
TR>I won't be quoting any more of your message because of your
TR>total confusion about this subject matter.
I have no confusion. You are just intolerant, or ignorant, of differing
views.
TR> Many things can be done
TR>in the time of an emergency if there are reasonable grounds, all
TR>quite legal, all quite Constitutional, and all recognized by most to
TR>be a civic duty if the situation ever arises.
Moral duty. And you can't mandate morality. Or, at least you shouldn't.
TR> I'll give you one more
TR>example below, but I probably won't waste much more of my time trying
TR> to explain this to you.
You don't need to "explain" anything to me. I know EXACTLY what you
believe. It is you that are unable to grasp my mindset. I believe in
freedom. I believe that reasonable people can see the evident basic
rights that are the cornerstones of freedom. To pervert the Constitution
or Bill of Rights into tools of totalitarianism is wrong. And I won't
abide by those perversions. I don't bow to masters, and I serve no man.
This is obviously something you don't understand.
TR>There is a tornado, and your home is one of the few left standing in
TR>the entire area. Many people have been killed, many have serious
TR>injuries, and many have minor injuries. There are hundreds of people
TR>who need help as quickly as possible. Chances are, the homes left
TR>standing in the area will be used by various agencies for injury
TR>classification, field hospitals, temporary morgues, distribution of
TR>equipment for volunteers, etc. Yes, your home could and probably
TR>would be commandeered during this situation, with or without your
TR>approval. This would be an obvious emergency which would qualify as
TR>reasonable grounds to use your home. This is a fairly severe example,
TR>but it has already happened numerous times. This commandeering would
TR>be quite legal and Constitutional. Would you waste an officer's time
TR>in arresting you before your home could be used to save lives? If
TR>so, you would not deserve to be called a citizen.
Well, my point is...I WOULD volunteer my house. I don't need Big Brother
to volunteer it for me. Big difference.
You see, your mindset sets a slippery slope to totalitarianism. People
have a right to disagree, also. To imprison people for
disagreeing....just for disagreeing, is some sick stuff.
My belief's, as per law and justice are, if there isn't a victim..there
is no crime...AND having ones basic civil, human, and Constitutional
rights violated is a crime, even if a governmental entity does the
violating...and calls it legal or Constitutional.
Stealing my car has a victim....me.
To sum up, the MAN should ASK not TELL. Because he works for me, I don't
work for him.
Giving away our freedoms and then using silly hypotheticals as reasons
is like handcuffing someone and then telling them "I'm handcuffing you
for your own safety". Sorry, I'd rather remain unshackled...and risk it.
---
þ CMPQwk #1.42þ UNREGISTERED HANDGUN COPY
---------------
* Origin: Cyber Bytes BBS * Antelope, Ca * (916) 334-1449 (1:203/127)
|