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   That depends on your requirements.

   In your case it probably depends on your prejudices.  Just look at =
how often someone posts here a problem and you respond with how it = should
or could be addressed with your employer's java.  Sometimes your =
suggestions are outright silly.

Rich

  "Adam Flinton"  wrote in message =
news:429331da{at}w3.nls.net...
  Paul Ranson wrote:
  > I don't see a contradiction.
  >=20

  "Right tools" means what?

  Right politically?
  Right financially?
  Right for the person suggesting it?
  Right given existing systems?
  Right for future proofing?
  Right for the skills base your empoyees already have?
  Right for the skills your employees want to learn?
  Right for the decisions taken by a far off hq of the company of which=20
  your company is but one division?

  Most tooling can do most of what is required by most systems. I've =
done=20
  Java/J2EE & C#/.net & the diffference is....????

  Basically you're glueing people to transportable data (as an ML =
(usually=20
  XML)) fired as text over tcp via some std mechanism (e.g. http) to=20
  something wot either puts stuff into or pulls stuff out of structured=20
  storage (an SQL DB).

  Delphi can do that, C++ can do that, Java can do that, C#/.Net can do=20
  that, Python can do that, Perl can do that etc.etc.etc.

  So it's never the right tool in the techie sense but always "do we =
want=20
  to be bound hand & foot to MS"? Or to AIX/*ix? or...or...or etc."=20
  Followed by "what are the costs & risks?" etc.etc. In there
somewhere=20
  there will be "I need something which can make me look good (as a=20
  manager" (e.g. tight timescales etc)) vs another person's "I need=20
  something which will look good on the CV & thus I want to try the new =
&=20
  hot".

  The right tool for the task technically might be the wrong tool for =
the=20
  task financialy or politically or in terms of skills (&/or aspirations =

  of skills)


  etc.

  Adam
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   That
depends on your=20
requirements.
 
   In your
case it probably =
depends on=20
your prejudices.  Just look at how often someone posts here a =
problem and=20
you respond with how it should or could be addressed with your = employer's=20
java.  Sometimes your suggestions are outright
silly.
 
Rich
 

  "Adam Flinton" <adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com>">mailto:adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com">adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:429331da{at}w3.nls.net...Pa=
ul=20
  Ranson wrote:> I don't see a contradiction.> =
"Right=20
  tools" means what?Right politically?Right =
financially?Right=20
  for the person suggesting it?Right given existing =
systems?Right for=20
  future proofing?Right for the skills base your empoyees already=20
  have?Right for the skills your employees want to learn?Right =
for the=20
  decisions taken by a far off hq of the company of which your =
company is=20
  but one division?Most tooling can do most of what is required =
by most=20
  systems. I've done Java/J2EE & C#/.net & the
diffference=20
  is....????Basically you're glueing people to transportable =
data (as an=20
  ML (usually XML)) fired as text over tcp via some std mechanism =
(e.g.=20
  http) to something wot either puts stuff into or pulls stuff out =
of=20
  structured storage (an SQL DB).Delphi can
do that, C++ can =
do=20
  that, Java can do that, C#/.Net can do that, Python can do that, =
Perl can=20
  do that etc.etc.etc.So it's never the right tool in
the techie =
sense=20
  but always "do we want to be bound hand & foot to
MS"? Or to =
AIX/*ix?=20
  or...or...or etc." Followed by "what are the costs
& risks?" =
etc.etc.=20
  In there somewhere there will be "I need something which can make =
me look=20
  good (as a manager" (e.g. tight timescales etc)) vs another =
person's "I=20
  need something which will look good on the CV & thus I want to =
try the=20
  new & hot".The right tool for
the task technically =
might be=20
  the wrong tool for the task financialy or politically or in terms =
of=20
  skills (&/or aspirations of=20
skills)etc.Adam

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