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And you still try to change the topic. Let's try again
On the subject of java being a generic term, you failed to answer the =
question and instead stated that it is as generic to you as ..NET = without
answering that either. Are you unable or unwilling to give a = clear yes
or no answer?
Rich
"Adam" wrote in message =
news:4294443f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Rich wrote:
> Still trying to change the topic.=20
> =20
Bullsh*t.
You are simply trying to say that Java is a a brand applied to many=20
things where .Net is some srt of tight spec. That is bullsh*t. .Net is =
a=20
branding exercise.
Do you ever feel like a mushrom?
> Yes. Your examples are Visual Basic.NET and ASP.NET which are=20
> successors to Visual Basic and ASP. The ..NET is a qualifier.=20
ROFLMAO. Do you rock backwards & forwards when you type stuff like =
this?=20
It is a branding exercise. B R A N D I N G .
> Both=20
> these happen to be components of the ..NET Framework.=20
Much like the .Net Connected Logo & program is?
> Compare this to=20
> sun's use of java where it is java this and java that with java =
being=20
> the first and foremost part of the name, the opposite of Microsoft's =
usage.
> =20
.Net Connected.....Net Passport...what's the first & foremost part of=20
that name.....Gee it's almost like you've evolved nostrils on top of=20
your head given the depth of cr*p you're spreading.
> I disagree that .NET is generic in any way and until you changed =
the=20
> topic it wasn't even part of the conversation.=20
ROFLMAO. Ummmmmm you were the one who introduced the java is a sun =
brand=20
comment to which I simply pointed out that that made it just like =
.Net.
People were asking what .Net is (many are similarly confused) & the=20
obvious & correct answer is that it is a Microsoft Branding exercise.
> On the subject of java=20
> being a generic term, you failed to answer the question and instead=20
> stated that it is as generic to you as ..NET without answering that=20
> either. Are you unable or unwilling to give a clear yes or no =
answer?
> =20
Sun have used it as a B R A N D. Just like .Net(TM MicroSoft) is a B R =
A=20
N D.
> As for your statement that java "is a branded =
language/runtime/set of=20
> specs etc. exactly like .Net is trying to be". I have to disagree =
on=20
> the comparison to .NET.
Of course you do coz things like marketing are too much to burden yu =
with.
> The .NET Framework is Microsoft's=20
> implementation an international ECMA/ISO standards plus value-added=20
> features.=20
But obviously you've got a keen grip on management newspeak.
> Sun could implement these standards.
Gosh could they? I'm sure there are lots of ECMA/ISO stds. Does MS=20
implement every ISO/ECMA standard?
> They could even call=20
> use the java brand if they wished and call it something like java 7. =
=20
> The key point remains unchanged and you have not responded which is =
java=20
> is used in a way that some folks, as evidenced by this thread, think =
it=20
> is generic.
> =20
It is used as a brand just like .Net is.
Adam
> Rich
> =20
> =20
>=20
> "Adam Flinton" > wrote in message
> news:4293725e{at}w3.nls.net...
> Rich wrote:
> > Still trying to change the topic.
> >=20
>=20
> No not at all .Net is a brand which is applied to many things.
>=20
> > They are not all called java as sun has done.
>=20
> Blimey neither is java. No your have "Java Enerprise Edition & =
"Java
> Desktop System" etc.
>=20
> Are you saying that .Net does not feature in their names?
>=20
> > It's not that java is
> > a sun brand. It's that it is used in a way that blurs the =
meaning.
>=20
> ROFLMAO Hello Mr Coalmine kettle.
>=20
> Gee what does ".Net Connected" mean?
>=20
> Does it mean that it must use ASP.Net? VB.Net? That in order to =
connect
> to it you must be running ".Net"?
>=20
>=20
> > For
> > an example of this look no further than this thread where it =
was
> claimed
> > that java is a generic term. It was that claim I disputed.=20
> Since you
> > are arguing with me should we all believe that you believe =
java is a
> > generic term?
> >
>=20
> It's as generic as .Net. It is a branded language/runtime/set of =
specs
> etc. exactly like .Net is trying to be.
>=20
> Personally I don't like things like using java in a linux distro =
name.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Adam
>=20
>=20
> > Rich
> >=20
> >
> > "Adam Flinton"
> > > wrote in message
> > news:4292ef1e{at}w3.nls.net...
> > Rich wrote:
> > > Nope. Everything has its own name. Even so there =
has been
> > confusion
> > > so .NET was removed from some names.
> > >
> >
> > Chuckle. My my my my what lovely revisionism. It's like
> airbrushing
> > trotsky out of the photos.
> >
> > So is VB.Net a web URL?
> >
> > How about ASP.Net?
> >
> > & what about .Net Passport? & Then there is the .Net =
Framework.
> >
> > If "everything has it's own name" in the
above style then
> gosh it must
> > just be a coincidence that so many MS things have .Net in
> their name &
> > not that .Net is a brandname which MS applies to many =
things.
> >
> > & then there is the "look for the ..Net
connected" logo =
campaign
> > etc.etc.
> >
> > No sign of branding there.....except possibly across your =
butt.
> >
> > Or did you opt for the .Net Connected logo tatoo instead?
> >
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Rich
> > >
> > >
> > > "Adam"
> >
> > >
> wrote in =
message
> > > news:4291a4ac$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> > > Rich wrote:
> > >
> > > > java is not a generic term. it is a brand =
name sun
> > applies to
> > > mmany
> > > > different things.
> > > >
> > > Just like MS does to .Net.
> > >
> > > Adam
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And you
still try to =
change the topic.=20
Let's try again
On the
subject of java =
being a generic=20
term, you failed to answer the question and instead stated that it is as = generic=20
to you as ..NET without answering that either. Are you unable or
= unwilling=20
to give a clear yes or no answer?
Rich
"Adam" <mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moesmailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes
A>>=20
wrote in message news:4294443f$1{at}w3.nls.net...Rich=20
wrote:> Still
trying to change the topic. =
>
Bullsh*t.You are simply trying to
say =
that Java=20
is a a brand applied to many things where .Net is some srt of =
tight spec.=20
That is bullsh*t. .Net is a branding
exercise.Do you ever =
feel=20
like a mushrom?>
Yes. Your examples =
are=20
Visual Basic.NET and ASP.NET which are > successors to Visual =
Basic and=20
ASP. The ..NET is a qualifier. ROFLMAO. Do you rock =
backwards=20
& forwards when you type stuff like this? It is a branding =
exercise. B=20
R A N D I N G .> Both
> these happen to be=20
components of the ..NET Framework. Much like the .Net =
Connected Logo=20
& program is?> Compare this to
> sun's use of =
java where=20
it is java this and java that with java being > the first and =
foremost=20
part of the name, the opposite of Microsoft's usage.> =20
.Net Connected.....Net Passport...what's the first & =
foremost part=20
of that name.....Gee it's almost like you've evolved nostrils on =
top of=20
your head given the depth of cr*p you're=20
spreading.>
I disagree that .NET is =
generic=20
in any way and until you changed the > topic it wasn't even =
part of the=20
conversation. ROFLMAO. Ummmmmm you were the one who
introduced =
the=20
java is a sun brand comment to which I simply pointed out that =
that made=20
it just like .Net.People were asking what .Net is (many are =
similarly=20
confused) & the obvious & correct answer is
that it is a =
Microsoft=20
Branding exercise.> On the subject
of java > =
being a=20
generic term, you failed to answer the question and instead > =
stated=20
that it is as generic to you as ..NET without answering that >=20
either. Are you unable or unwilling to give a clear yes or no=20
answer?> Sun have used it
as a B R A N D. Just =
like=20
.Net(TM MicroSoft) is a B R A N
D.> =
As for=20
your statement that java "is a branded language/runtime/set of =
> specs=20
etc. exactly like .Net is trying to be". I have to disagree on =
>=20
the comparison to .NET.Of course you do coz things like =
marketing are=20
too much to burden yu with.> The
.NET Framework is=20
Microsoft's > implementation an international ECMA/ISO =
standards plus=20
value-added > features. But
obviously you've got a keen =
grip on=20
management newspeak.> Sun could implement these=20
standards.Gosh could they? I'm sure there are lots of
ECMA/ISO =
stds.=20
Does MS implement every ISO/ECMA
standard?> They =
could=20
even call > use the java brand if they wished and call it =
something=20
like java 7. > The key point remains unchanged and you =
have not=20
responded which is java > is used in a way that some folks, as=20
evidenced by this thread, think it > is
generic.> =20
It is used as a brand just like .Net =
is.Adam>=20
Rich> > > =
> =20
"Adam Flinton" <adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com&g=">mailto:adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com">adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com&g=
t; =20
<mailto:adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.commailto:adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com">mailto:adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com
>>>=20
wrote in message> news:4293725e{at}w3.nls.net...>=
=20
Rich wrote:> =
> Still=20
trying to change the
topic.>
> =
>
> No not at all
.Net is a =
brand which=20
is applied to many things.> =
> =20
> They are not all called java as sun has =
done.>=20
> Blimey neither
is java. No your have =
"Java=20
Enerprise Edition &
"Java>
Desktop =
System"=20
etc.>
> Are you saying
that .Net =
does=20
not feature in their names?> =
> =20
> It's not that java
is> =
> a=20
sun brand. It's that it is used in a way that blurs the =
meaning.>=20
> ROFLMAO Hello
Mr Coalmine =
kettle.>=20
> Gee what does
".Net Connected" =
mean?>=20
> Does it mean
that it must use =
ASP.Net?=20
VB.Net? That in order to
connect> to it =
you=20
must be running ".Net"?> >=20
> >=20
For>
> an example of this look =
no=20
further than this thread where it
was> =20
claimed>
> that java is a =
generic=20
term. It was that claim I disputed. =
> =20
Since
you>
> are arguing with =
me=20
should we all believe that you believe java is=20
a>
> generic=20
term?>
>>=20
> It's as
generic as .Net. It is a =
branded=20
language/runtime/set of
specs> etc. =
exactly=20
like .Net is trying to be.>
> =
Personally=20
I don't like things like using java in a linux distro name.> =
>=20
>
>
Adam> >=20
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Rich>
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> =20
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t; =20
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>>> =20
> <mailto:adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.commailto:adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com">mailto:adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com
>>>=20
wrote in
message> =20
> news:4292ef1e{at}w3.nls.net...>=
=20
> Rich =
wrote:> =20
>
> Nope. =20
Everything has its own name. Even so there has=20
been> =
> =20
confusion> =20
> > so
.NET was removed from some=20
names.> =20
> =
>> =20
>> =
> =20
Chuckle. My my my my what lovely revisionism. It's=20
like> =20
airbrushing> =
> =20
trotsky out of the
photos.> =20
>> =
> So is=20
VB.Net a web
URL?> =20
>> =
> How=20
about
ASP.Net?> =20
>> =
> &=20
what about .Net Passport? & Then there is the .Net=20
Framework.> =20
>> =
> If=20
"everything has it's own name" in the above style=20
then> gosh it=20
must> =
> just=20
be a coincidence that so many MS things have .Net=20
in> their name=20
&> =
> not=20
that .Net is a brandname which MS applies to many=20
things.> =20
>> =
> &=20
then there is the "look for the ..Net connected" logo =20
campaign> =
> =20
etc.etc.> =20
>> =
> No=20
sign of branding there.....except possibly across your=20
butt.> =20
>> =
> Or did=20
you opt for the .Net Connected logo tatoo=20
instead?> =20
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>> =
> =20
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> "Adam" =
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wrote in
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> news:4291a4ac$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
> =20
>
> Rich=20
wrote:> =20
> =
>> =20
>
> =20
> java is not a generic
term. it is a brand =
name=20
sun>
> =
applies=20
to> =
> =20
> =
mmany> =20
>
> =
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different
things.> =20
>
> =20
>> =
> =20
> Just like MS does to=20
.Net.> =
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>
Adam
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