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   You can download beta 1 _today_ and read more about Indigo (and =
Avalon) from =
http://msdn.microsoft.com/Longhorn/understanding/pillars/Indigo/default.a=
spx.  These were decoupled so that they can also be made available for =
Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.

Rich

  "Adam Flinton"  wrote in message =
news:4296e6b2$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Geo wrote:
  > "Adam"  wrote in message
  > news:4295bb77{at}w3.nls.net...
  >=20
  >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/dotnet_longhorn/
  >>
  >>"A security architecture touted as one of the core benefits of
  >>Microsoft's next major Windows upgrade look like being the next =
casualty
  >>of the Longhorn death march.
  >=20
  >=20
  > Ok so much for the db filesys and now this. What's left?
  >=20
  > I mean NT 3.5 brought more speed and reduced memory requirements, =
3.51
  > brought fax and disk compression and a better set of drivers, 4.0 =
brought a
  > new UI and a new printing system, 2K brought a whole new domain =
model based
  > on DNS and share freedom from machine names. XP brought nothing =
worthwhile
  > that I could see and now it looks like longhorn may not either? =
(first the
  > dbfilesys got dropped and now the programming environment is iffy? =
what's
  > left?)
  >=20
  > Is this what happens when your geek filled development team quits =
and is
  > replaced by a bunch of Harvard grads?
  >=20
  > Geo.
  >=20
  >=20
  Well..

  All the stuff like indigo was apparantly pulled from the ecma/iso/.Net =

  story coz MS woke up to the fact that then lots of others could use it =

  to talk to their machines (e.g. Novell). Gosh it's almost like =
http/xml=20
  can be done by anything with an e-pulse....

  So there's one core lump which is going from being part of the .Net=20
  story (kinda like J2EE is to Java) to just built on .Net. It's a pity =
&=20
  it kind muddies the whole MS ECMA/ISO/.Net marketroid "play nice with=20
  others" story.

  So while you may get indigo (may but hopefully will) it will not be =
part=20
  of .Net (it's a bit like the way Apple has pulled various (esp media)=20
  things from being just there to being "special items" in 10.4)

  & so....well there's still avalon........& xaml....(pronounced by the=20
  .Net'ers I meet as Camel (I think they are taking the Greek Ch as in =
XP=20
  =3D Chi Rho).


  So......(& you & Tony are going to love this....) the big win =
is....you=20
  get to program Longhorn using.....using....using....XML!!!!

  Hurrah.

  I can just feel Tony cringe at the verbosity of a programming lang=20
  expressed in XML

   From what I can see.....it's a bit like using JSP'es using beans i.e. =

  it stitches together prebuilt clr code.

  Of course given Rich S'es aversion to people using xml as a solution =
one=20
  would have to assume that this must be a crap idea.



  Adam
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   You can
download beta 1=20
_today_ and read more about Indigo (and
Avalon) from http://msdn.microsoft.com/Longhorn/understanding/pillars/Indigo/d=
efault.aspx">http://msdn.microsoft.com/Longhorn/understanding/pillars/Ind=
igo/default.aspx. =20
These were decoupled so that they can also be made available for Windows = XP and=20
Windows Server 2003.
 
Rich
 

  "Adam Flinton" <adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com>">mailto:adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com">adam{at}NOSPAM_softfab.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:4296e6b2$1{at}w3.nls.net...Geo=20
  wrote:> "Adam" <mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moesmailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes
A>>=20
  wrote in message> news:4295bb77{at}w3.nls.net...>=
=20
  =
>>&" target="new">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/dotnet_longhorn/&=
gt;>>>"A=20
  security architecture touted as one of the core benefits=20
  of>>Microsoft's next major Windows upgrade look
like being =
the next=20
  casualty>>of the Longhorn death
march.> > =
> Ok=20
  so much for the db filesys and now this. What's left?>
> =
I mean=20
  NT 3.5 brought more speed and reduced memory requirements, =
3.51>=20
  brought fax and disk compression and a better set of drivers, 4.0 =
brought=20
  a> new UI and a new printing system, 2K brought a whole new =
domain=20
  model based> on DNS and share freedom from machine names. XP =
brought=20
  nothing worthwhile> that I could see and now it looks like =
longhorn may=20
  not either? (first the> dbfilesys got dropped and now the =
programming=20
  environment is iffy? what's> left?)>
> Is this =
what=20
  happens when your geek filled development team quits and is> =
replaced=20
  by a bunch of Harvard grads?> >
Geo.> >=20
  Well..All the stuff like indigo was
apparantly pulled from =
the=20
  ecma/iso/.Net story coz MS woke up to the fact that then lots of =
others=20
  could use it to talk to their machines (e.g. Novell). Gosh it's =
almost=20
  like http/xml can be done by anything with an =
e-pulse....So=20
  there's one core lump which is going from being part of the .Net =
story=20
  (kinda like J2EE is to Java) to just built on .Net. It's a pity & =
it=20
  kind muddies the whole MS ECMA/ISO/.Net marketroid "play nice with =
others"=20
  story.So while you may get indigo (may but hopefully will) it =
will not=20
  be part of .Net (it's a bit like the way Apple has pulled various =
(esp=20
  media) things from being just there to being "special
items" in=20
  10.4)& so....well there's still
avalon........&=20
  xaml....(pronounced by the .Net'ers I meet as Camel (I think they =
are=20
  taking the Greek Ch as in XP =3D Chi =
Rho).So......(& you=20
  & Tony are going to love this....) the big win is....you get =
to=20
  program Longhorn =
using.....using....using....XML!!!!Hurrah.I=20
  can just feel Tony cringe at the verbosity of a programming lang =
expressed=20
  in XML From what I can see.....it's a bit like using =
JSP'es using=20
  beans i.e. it stitches together prebuilt clr
code.Of =
course given=20
  Rich S'es aversion to people using xml as a solution one would =
have to=20
  assume that this must be a crap=20
idea.Adam

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