->  KW> wish I had a picture to show you.....(just trying to be on topic, 
->  KW> eh)
-> 
-> Would mean something like the IronRite illustrated at
-> http://www.jitterbuzz.com/indirn.html ???
-> 
Thanks August.  I think it was more like the Gladiron on that same 
page...though a couple of those manuals look familiar.

Karen 
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