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echo: philos
to: CLARENCE HOGAN
from: JOHN BOONE
date: 1997-12-28 13:52:00
subject: Black and White

 On 12-27-97 Clarence Hogan wrote to John Boone... 
 
        Hello Clarence and thanks for writing, 
  
 CH> JB> However, as I pointed out to Clarence, when given, a  
 CH> JB> either or statement of either good or evil, and not good  
 CH> JB> leaves us with evil.  
   
 CH>  Now just a cotton pickin bowl weevil hair minute! 
 CH>  "NOT GOOD" absolutely does NOT leave anyone with EVIL! 
   
  Clarence as I tried pointing out to you several times, 
before, there is a GIVEN, ASSUMPTION, which is 
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when dealing with a -TRUE- either-or situation. 
In this case, the assumption was that all humans 
are either good or evil.  BTW, I don't believe 
this proposition to be true. 
  The logic went like this: 
 
        proposition #1:  all humans are either good or bad 
        proposition #2:  a human is not good 
        conclusion    :  a human is bad or evil   
  
  Such a conclusion is valid -only- when proposition #1 
and number #2 are valid.  As I pointed out, we were
-assuming- number one to true which in fact it isn't.   
  
 CH>  Just because you are a "not good" or "bad" typist, does NOT 
 CH>  mean that your are an "EVIL" typist, OR ARE YOU? 
   
  As I pointed out before, when there are more than 
two classes such -LOGIC- falls  (IOW, I agree such a 
dichotomy can't be made). Before, you used 
examples of animals.  Let me see if I can help you 
understand the difference. 
  In that example, you used and example of humans 
versus non-humans: 
 
        proposition #1: all living creature are either humans or not 
        propostionn #2: this living creature is not a human 
        conclusion    : therefore this living creature is a bird 
 
 As I pointed before, you were correct in pointing out that 
such logic is faulty, I agree with you, but pointed out 
the reason such a conclusion was faulty is it made a distinction 
between non-humans. 
  However, let us look at the exact same two propositions but with 
a different conclusion: 
 
        proposition #1: all living creatures are either human or not 
        propostionn #2: the living creature is not a human 
        conclusion    : the living creature is not a human  
 
  Please notice, the conclusion is valid, provided both propistion 
#1 and #2 are valid; in addition, please notice, the conclusion 
doesn't make a distinction amoung non-humans.  
  Now getting back to your question, 
 
         Just because you are a "not good" or "bad" typist, does NOT 
         mean that your are an "EVIL" typist, OR ARE YOU? 
 
  You confuse the meaning of "bad typist" (pretaining to one's 
ability to type) with the meaning of "evil typist" (not pretaining 
to one's ability to type but rather one's nature). However, your 
example does serve to show -why- such dichotomy logic falls or fails 
when dealing with -MORE- than two classes.  
  I am afraid, this exhausts my ability within this arena 
to explain to you -what- I had been attempting to express 
that IMO it is not necessary within the Christian faith for 
us know evil in order for us to do good, we only need to know 
Christ.  It was my understanding that it was your contention 
that we must also know evil in order to know good.  
  Let me try to explain it using set theory.  Are there any 
Christ like acts that are not good?  IMO, no, meaning all 
Christ like acts get mapped or associated with good. 
Please notice, this implies it is -sufficient-  (please notice 
this is different than saying it is -necessary-) only for us 
to know Christ. 
  However, it says nothing about -other- acts (non-Christ like) 
which may be -good- as well. 
 
Take care, 
Happy New Year! 
John 
 
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