-> TK> possibly, but I also have to give credit to the schools.
-> You made it through a system which has been steadily deteriorating ever
-> since WWII, not by virtue of their efforts, but because you are in the 
small
-> minority who will make it despite the lousy teachers and materials handed 
to
-> most kids these days.
->
-> TK> -> TK> Yes, but the way that Jane makes it sound, only those who are
-> TK> -> home schooled or educated in private schools have a chance at ever
-> TK> TK> -> getting ahead. Only jail, or welfare. On the contrary. OUt of 
the
-> TK> -> percentage that doesn't do well at all in school, possibly because
-> TK> -> the public schools fail to teach them much of anything at all and 
TK>
-> -> bore them stiff, is a very high percentage that end TK> up TK> -> in 
ur
-> prison system.  Their education has been lousy at best.
->
-> Who wrote the latter part of that?  Me or you?  Your mail reader leaves a
-> lot to be desired at times.
->
Yes it does, but unfortunately, I am running a BBS program called PCBoard, 
nd
haven't found a decent replacement for the messege editor yet.  Anything that 
I
quote from someone else will have a -> in front of it, the stuff that I wrote
and you quoted has the TK> in front of it.  Hopefully that will help you
decipher who wrote what.
-> TK> Yes, but you just contradicted yourself.  If it was only my own TK>
-> effort and genetics that made me what I am, then the schools can't TK> be
-> blamed for the ones who don't do well. The parents of the TK> children 
ust
-> also must be held accountable, because if they had been TK> more involved 
in
-> their childrens schooling, for instance, checking TK> to make sure they 
were
-> doing their homework, and going to teacher TK> confrences.
->
-> We have many one parent households today.  And we just recently have 
arrived
-> at a place where employees may take off for parent teacher conferences.  I
-> have always wondered why I could do millions of dollars of business on the
-> phone with people I never met face to face yet could not have any kind of
-> intelligent conversation with any teacher over the phone.  I would love to
-> see the schools have to send their folks to offices and factories to have
-> parent/teacher conferences with parents who work just as hard as they do.
-> Not everyone can become involved in kids schooling as the school system
-> thinks they should.  I frankly got disgusted with the school system my
-> youngerst child had in Seattle, pulled her out in the sixth grade, and let
-> her stepfather teach her math.  He had her doing fractions in her head 
hen
-> the teachers could not get her to do them on paper!
->
Agreed, one of the biggest problems with the education system is the idea 
hat
teachers can go into a class, lecture to a chalkboard all day, and expect 
ids
to learn.  One thing I did leave out was the fact that I went to a private
school for most of grade school, but in my situation it did not matter, 
because
as a student suffering from ADHD before it was recognized as such I did not
have the ability to pay attention.  It did not matter which school system I
went to the results were the same, I would be off in my own little world
squirming in my seat, when I wasn't falling out of it or wandering around the
classroom.
-> TK> -> TK> agreed, but that doesn't say how many were educated in public 
TK>
-> TK> -> schools, or elsewhere.
->
-> I am well aware of the population that does't do well in school these 
ays.
-> In fact, did an intake on one 14 year old last night.  Kid has been on the
-> streets of Seattle recently, now is living with her grandmother who 
appens
-> to be a friend of mine.  She is also both a genetic alcoholic and one who
-> has lived in the war zone of a dysfunctional family system for several
-> years. The best thing she did for herself was to get out.
->
-> This kid has been to some of the worst "mental health" workers this county
-> has and picked up every "mental health" diagnosis under the sun except the
-> right one, addiction.  She has also tried crank, is still in extended
-> withdrawal from same with a high pulse rate and some marked recent weight
-> loss.
->
Addiction, and ADD ADHD often times go hand in hand, while people try and
self medicate.  We had a hockey player in this area (Bob Probert) who at the
time was with the Detroit Red Wings, who ran into all types of trouble with
addictions.  Once diagnosed and treated for ADHD, he straightened up his act,
until he decided to stop the medication.  At that point he resumed his 
lcohol
and drug abuse problems which almost cost him his career.
-> And she will not be going back to any of the local idiots soon.  She will 
be
-> on a regime for kids such as herself very similar to the ones that are now
-> in use for children inside our local juvenile corrections institution in 
the
-> therapy unit there and in other places that treat these kids.
->
-> And her grandmother just happens to be a student in one of the local 
schools
-> that educates chemical dependency counselors.
->
Glad to hear it, sometimes the best thing that can be done for these 
hildren,
is to get them into a program where they can be monitored by people who know
how to deal with their particular type of problems.
-> Her mother happens to be a whiz on computers and she is able to sit down 
and
-> make one do quite nicely herself.  The computer will assit in her 
withdrawal
-> if no one tells her it is good for her at this time.  She thinks it is a
-> wonderful way to escape being bored.
->
Sounds like me, I am often bored beyond belief until I am able to get onto a
computer.
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